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Old 9th Jul 2018, 03:23
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If Messrs. Trump and Pompeo (especially Pompeo in this case) are irked by the North Korean antics during the latest Sec of State visit I think they have a right to be. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-pompeo-effort

That is not the behaviour of diplomacy but rather mid-scale annoyance (not knowing the scedule, the agenda, or even the principals). I think the Americans have the right to be miffed over this. Not satisfactory at all.
I quite agree, somewhat like a tweet from Trump to liven up his followers.

I guess we should give it a pass and see what specific words Pompeo has to offer.
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Old 9th Jul 2018, 05:10
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Pompeo is doing OK. Just keep the communication going back and forth. The progress will be slow. This is a different culture. Its not so black and white. You cant expect an immediate yes/no response. A bit of posturing is part of the territory. So is a few petty insults. Expecting a fast result or being a bit too sensitive could derail the good progress that has been made so far.
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Old 9th Jul 2018, 09:30
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It's possible that the trading difficulties between the USA and the PRC have something to do with it. I would imagine that Beijing has slackened the whip on Kim.
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Old 31st Jul 2018, 04:25
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On Monday the Washington Post newspaper quoted officials as saying the North Korea appeared to be building one or two new intercontinental ballistic missiles at the Sanumdong facility near the capital Pyongyang.
The factory produced the country's first intercontinental ballistic missiles capable of reaching the US, the paper adds.
According to Reuters, satellite imaging shows vehicles moving in and out of the facility, but not the extent of any missile construction
bbc..........
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Old 31st Jul 2018, 11:20
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I think, irrespective of who the POTUS is, that we expected this.

We know that the continuity of the Kim regime is the first priority in Pyongyang and that such weapons and delivery systems are viewed by those there as an insurance policy. Whether they are a foolproof insurance is open for debate, but that is obviously how Kim and his posse seem to view them.

Second, assuming that the seeds of progress were truly sown in Singapore, there is a lot of existing inertia that any process forthgoing needs to fight against.

On the other hand, the regime might be sitting back and watching Trump and many in the U.S. establishment (those in actual office and those close in think tanks, etc.) bleating out renewed threats against Iran. They see re-doubling their efforts to have big weapons as a way to ensure the threat of force is not directed their way.

I will be anxious to see what reporting and analysis 38 North brings forward on this.

The game plays on and on and on. A living breathing definition of the word intractable...
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Old 4th Aug 2018, 07:58
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North Korea has not stopped its nuclear and missile programmes, violating UN sanctions, a report commissioned by the UN Security Council says.
It also says Pyongyang has resorted to a "massive increase" of illegal ship-to-ship transfers of oil products and has been trying to sell weapons abroad.
The confidential report by a panel of independent experts was submitted to the UN Security Council on Friday.
North Korea has so far not commented on the document's findings
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Old 4th Aug 2018, 12:25
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Originally Posted by meadowrun View Post
..............bbc
Didn't Trump recently all but state that unless it it a U.S. based Rupert Murdoch news outlet that it was not to be believed?

Pompeo recently bruskly dismissed any questions about NK continuation of its weapons program. Reality is not what is important but rather the narrative.
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Old 4th Aug 2018, 17:12
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Reality is not what is important but rather the narrative.
the hanging rope is being prepared after the jury is finished. hearing the evidence
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Murdoch? That Melbourne guy?

I have a long, mostly trusted, history with the BBC (news anyway) as does the family going back further. (besides - it was UN news, BBC reporting)

Trump? We hardly know ye and what we've seen so far is worrisome.
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Old 24th Aug 2018, 04:55
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Pompeo sailing again for Pyongyang

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.643e5daa2c91

The ever tough nut to crack has not gone away. I post this link as it seems that there is, as would be expected and even hoped for, pressure within the U.S. administration to see if diplomacy is bearing any fruit.

It seems this time though the internal pressure within the U.S. camp is serious to see more immediate results. Bolton, Mattis, and others gave the diplomatic route a reasonable chance and still are, but they have to craft options. I do not envy them their task.
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Old 24th Aug 2018, 05:48
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NK has so far, only done things that cost them nothing.
And grudgingly at that.
Long lost bodies finally returned after decades of delay for no good reason..
Fleeting family reunifications at the border in two 8 hour sessions over two days , with minders.
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Old 24th Aug 2018, 13:28
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NK has so far, only done things that cost them nothing.
And grudgingly at that.
Long lost bodies finally returned after decades of delay for no good reason..
Fleeting family reunifications at the border in two 8 hour sessions over two days , with minders.
but both leaders here and over there gained from that, just like any other recent president's diplomacy. That's what happens when the constituents suggest points that fit their mind set
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Old 24th Aug 2018, 15:39
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............and real politics becomes some burlesque Fan dance .
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In the strategic-global-politic sense, what has it cost the US? Basically - nothing. NK has for now stopped lobbing missiles into the sea of Japan, they haven't tested any nukes(that I'm aware of), and there is some modest cross-border cooperation going on with the South Korean brothers. All we've done is deferred our training with SK, and we did that voluntarily. There has been no quid-pro-quo, and anyone that's bellyaching about the lack of advancement in the de-nuclear talks is pie in the sky thinking it would be light turning off a light bulb switch.

I knew, and most people with any sense of global-politic knew that diplomacy and changing of the ways in the hermit kingdom were going to be slow, and fractious. Maybe the MSM thought that one visit by Trump, and a reduction in our aggressive military policy with the south was going to be all it took to change 70 years of belligerence. I just googled it, and the 'tear down this wall' speech was June of 87. The wall didn't come down until Nov 89. Almost two and a half years. It was another 2 years, in the Bush term before Glasnost got a hold, and the Soviet system started to crumble.

Lets just all step back for a few months. Let the dips do their job. It's not costing us much more than plane fuel and some travel expenses right now. Trump didn't offer any money, lessening of trade restrictions, overt support, or any type of economic support for NK because I'm pretty sure he KNEW that to do any of those things would show weakness. Nothing has changed in our policy over there except our deferring of the training. We can start that back up again in a matter of days, should NK decide to go back to being asshats.
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Old 24th Aug 2018, 16:13
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I know you've used the "tear down this wall" speech as an general example of diplomatic glacial movement:
"General Secretary Gorbachev, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, if you seek liberalization, come here to this gate.
Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate!
Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!"

It wasn't the Russians or East German leaders who did tear it down - it took the people.
And they got a Merkel. Anyone know if she broke a sweat swinging a sledge?

Lumps and chunks of said concrete still available on ebuy (That was the original name but the developers then thought it might be just a touch too mercenary so they brainstormed a something gentle, soothing, can you hear the lapping waves by the campfire type thing).
Don't waste your $s.

Different people than the androids in NK.

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Old 24th Aug 2018, 17:05
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Just because the DPRK isn't exactly like the old USSR, doesn't mean that the changes will come any faster. Ideology changes are going to be hard, and have a lot of resistance. There are other examples, such as S Africa. Apartheid lasted something like 50 years?
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Old 24th Aug 2018, 17:14
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The 600lb fat man in the room is Kimmie.
His ideology is silent, (he thinks he's clever) quite simple and ever there.
He and his dynasty will rule Korea. His end game.
I will take any and all bets.
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Old 24th Aug 2018, 17:18
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If by "Korea" you mean DPRK, no bet. If you are trying to include SK, then Kim will never, ever succeed and I'll pony up plenty of $$$ on that. The US has lost the PI as a base, and we are struggling with Japan as a foreign stronghold. There is no way the US is going to leave the Korean peninsula. Far, far too strategic. Besides, crushing NK today wouldn't be anything like the problem it was in 1950. I've been there, and done that. We are dug in hard, and the Korean Marines are some of the toughest bastards on the planet.
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Old 24th Aug 2018, 17:22
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The bet is not that he will gain power over all of Korea.
The bet is that is what his (unchanged by any of this fluff) goal is.
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Old 24th Aug 2018, 22:25
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Pompeo trip delayed for a while citing 'lack of progress by NK'. File under 'hey - no shit'.

Trump asks Pompeo to delay visit to North Korea | Fox News

We still have hard line, no reduction in sanctions in place, and there isn't going to be any change until Kim starts playing ball. If he begs off, no sweat, we go back to drills with South Korea in the yellow sea, and along the border. Been there, done that, we know how.
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