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Old 10th Jun 2018, 18:19
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But now if his well-fed happy citizens get the idea to revolt while he's away, he's left his getaway plane at home
it would be smarter for him to stay where he is, especially if things don't go right in the talks
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Old 10th Jun 2018, 18:31
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Has the Fat Wun a twitter account? Just checked.... No... he needs to get on board the program!
Must frustrate the hell out of Don not being able to twitter war.
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Old 10th Jun 2018, 20:11
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Good point Flash about not having a Twitter account. How can Trump pout, be peevish and petulant in a Twitter war if Kim is not getting the message?

That would be rich would it not if Kim were to ask for asylum in Singapore?

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Old 10th Jun 2018, 20:52
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That would be rich would it not if Kim were to ask for asylum in Singapore?
Do we know if his Air China ticket was round trip, or just one-way? He could be stuck there with no ride home.
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Old 10th Jun 2018, 21:05
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Do we know if his Air China ticket was round trip, or just one-way? He could be stuck there with no ride home.
Maybe he could hop on one of his trampers that reputedly sail under false registrations.

Btw, I wonder who paid for this Air China charter? Rumour has it that the Trump team is having to stump up for the hotel costs. Perhaps Kim wil pass the plate for travel expenses.

Rather ironic that Kim pleads poverty after his cyber team decanted banks of tens of millions of dollars.
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It's love I tell ya Guv. It's love!

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Old 11th Jun 2018, 08:24
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I've never quite understood why NK never developed nuclear power plants to enable a good industrial base, electrical service to the people and other good things instead of the total obsession with weapons. Things could have gone very differently without the delusions.
I think there is now nothing left. Might have a handful of warheads, might not, but no resources to build anymore or more missiles or fuel for them.
He's had to borrow an aircraft and get someone else to pay for his trip.
That does indicate - "very broke now" and forced to the table.
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Old 11th Jun 2018, 09:03
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Often when we get important meetings like the one tomorrow we can take a guess at the possible outcomes. This time, I doubt anyone has a clue as to what may happen, other than I strongly suspect we may be surprised by it.

Trump seems to thrive on being a disruptor, and what I'd call "diplomacy by hand grenade", and we don't have enough evidence to say whether or not this approach will prove to be beneficial in the longer term. He changes his mind from hour to hour, it seems, and the only thing about him that is predictable is that he will be unpredictable.

Kim's motives are probably easier to guess; NK is a basket case, he knows it and he is having this meeting to save face, which, given his ultimate power, together with the great importance of face within his culture, is understandable. If he just gets some sanctions lifted that will give him much-needed breathing time, so he can plan what next to do. I honestly don't believe that Kim wants more than this out of this meeting, and I don't expect for one minute that he will honour any agreements made in the longer term.
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Old 11th Jun 2018, 09:54
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The surprise outcome might be offering the DPRK Observer or Dialogue Partner status of the S.C.O.
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Old 11th Jun 2018, 12:31
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No shit!

Three planes arrived from Pyongyang on Sunday, leading to much speculation before Kim arrived about which one he was on.

The IL-62, named Chammae-1 after North Koreaís national bird, was among them and was believed to be carrying Kim Yo-jong, the leaderís younger sister.

First to arrive was an IL-76 transport plane which, the Chosun Ilbo reported, contained not only Kimís bullet-proof stretch limousine and food for the trip, but his personal portable toilet.

The portaloo, which first featured at the inter-Korean summit with Moon Jae-in, South Koreaís president, in April, is reportedly an extreme security measure to prevent foreign powers from discovering sensitive details about Kimís health by collecting stool samples.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-summit-trump/

I believe US intelligence services were able to get info on Khrushchev's illnesses by analysing his "waste products" when he visited the USA.
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Old 11th Jun 2018, 13:13
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Originally Posted by sfm818 View Post
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The surprise outcome might be offering the DPRK Observer or Dialogue Partner status of the S.C.O.
Would Russia and China be amenable to that, though?

The relationship between NK and all of the SCO members, except, possibly, China, seems to have been broken for some time now, and I have doubts as to whether Russia, on a point of principle, could be influenced by anything the USA offers.

I suppose there's always the possibility that there really is a secret back-channel between the current US administration and Russia that might have some influence, and I think it's quite likely that China may well agree to support such a move within the SCO if the US tries to act as a broker, given that China seems to be the only country that has some sort of working agreement with NK, even though I suspect they are breaking sanctions.
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Old 11th Jun 2018, 14:53
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The IL-62, named Chammae-1 after North Koreaís national bird, was among them and was believed to be carrying Kim Yo-jong, the leaderís younger sister.
Taking the British Royal Family as a precedent inasmuch as the Sovereign and Heir never travel in the same aircraft it could suggest that the Fat Wun's sister is next in line on the family tree.
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Old 11th Jun 2018, 17:28
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KIM Jong-un's squad of infamous bodyguards have been spotted again jogging alongside the paranoid dictator's car amid fears he might be targeted by an assassin.

Footage showed the North Korean leader's super-fit security detail - an elite handpicked martial arts experts - spring into action alongside the official limo after it whisked him away from Changi Airport.
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Old 11th Jun 2018, 17:34
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From the Beeb:-

The world once again got a glimpse of Kim Jong-un's suited running bodyguards as they escorted his motorcade in Singapore. But they're more than just a piece of spectacle, because when it comes to the leader's security, North Korea leaves absolutely nothing to chance. Analyst Michael Madden explains more about this mysterious group of men.When in North Korea, Mr Kim's close bodyguard has three different lines that surround him. There's a modified version of this on display in Singapore and all eyes are on the men in dark suits. The bodyguards running alongside Mr Kim's limousine and those who walk in close proximity to him are part of something called Central Party Office #6, or formally, it's known as the Main Office of Adjutants. They form the immediate line around Mr Kim and are selected from Korean People's Army (KPA) recruits fulfilling their national service conscription obligations. Criteria for selection includes a height requirement - they need to be approximately the same height as the supreme leader - and must not have any visual impairments. They must demonstrate certain accomplishments or a high aptitude for skills such as marksmanship - firing a gun - and martial arts.Finally, a bodyguard is subjected to a rigorous background investigation in which his or her family, going back two generations, is vetted. Many personnel of the Main Office of Adjutants are related to the Kim family, or to other elite North Korean families. Once they are accepted to become bodyguards (refusing the job offer is not really an option), they are subjected to an intensive training programme. Bodyguards are trained in a manner similar to the KPA's Special Operations Forces. This includes training in the use of handguns, evasion techniques and a variety of martial arts. Bodyguard trainees undergo physical endurance challenges, behavioural conditioning and physically rigorous drills.The bodyguards form a ring around him with the protective perimeter having a 360-degree view of both the people near him and the location. Walking, riding ahead, or in advance of Mr Kim are between three to five bodyguards including the director of the Main Office of Adjutants. Alongside him are between four to six bodyguards, with two to three on his right and left. Bringing up the rear are an additional four to five bodyguards. In a sign of their power in the regime, they are some of the only North Korean citizens permitted to carry loaded firearms next to their country's leader, usually a semi-automatic handgun and a back-up weapon. Despite carrying firearms, the bodyguards' main defence for Mr Kim are their skills of observation (of people near the leader and the premises), and neutralising any perceived threat with their hands and bodies. When Kim Jong-il was alive, there was a ratio of one bodyguard to two of the senior officials accompanying him.Bodyguards are usually attired in Western-style suits and ties, as we see in Singapore, or the Zhongshan suits of party officials. Mr Kim's chauffeurs always wear linen or leather gloves to handle the steering wheel. They also use radio communications with earpieces.However, their primary communication methods are distinctly old school: they wear specific badges and pins on their clothing for a given event to establish their identification, and use a series of spoken passwords and code phrases.The Main Office of Adjutants has an estimated 200-300 personnel, of whom over half are bodyguards, and the remainder are drivers and technical staff. While some of the leader's bodyguards have long careers, most only work in that capacity for 10 years.

Whereas the Main Office of Adjutants protects the Supreme Leader himself, the GC is mainly responsible for securing the physical premises of wherever he happens to be, whether it's his office buildings, private residences or locations he visits domestically or outside North Korea. In addition to that, the GC fulfils a number of logistical or technical functions to support the leader in his job Guard Command personnel undergo a similar selection and vetting process as Mr Kim's bodyguards in the Main Office of Adjutants. In fact most bodyguards rotate out of the latter department into the GC. Recent observation and reporting about Mr Kim's visit to Singapore noted that three planes arrived to the city state from Pyongyang. Guard Command personnel were on board at least two of these planes. These men and women are involved in a diverse number of support missions for Mr Kim. They will operate and maintain the secure telephone lines that the leader will use, as well as provide him with whatever computers he uses and IT security required. In addition to that, they have whatever liquor, foods, and cigarettes that Mr Kim will want during his time in Singapore, and will inspect any food or drink before it is served to him. It also has a medical department where his personal physicians and medical staff work, and at least two of these people are with him in Singapore.In terms of Mr Kim's personal security, the GC's #2 Department forms two of the three outer lines of security around him, and they normally focus on where Mr Kim works, stays or visits. The GC establishes one line immediately outside of the bodyguard group around him, followed by a third outer line near any roads, fences or other infrastructure within a half mile of any location. If one were to pop down to the lobby of the St Regis hotel where he is staying in Singapore, one would most certainly encounter them.This three-tier personal security structure is virtually unheard of for any other world leader.And while the running bodyguards are a striking image, it is the additional and not immediately visible layers of security further out that are the most sophisticated and extreme in the lengths they will go to ensure the preservation of the Kim dynasty.

Michael Madden is visiting scholar of the US Korea Institute at SAIS-Johns Hopkins University and Director of NK Leadership Watch, an affiliate of 38 North.
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Old 11th Jun 2018, 19:48
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Criteria for selection includes a height requirement - they need to be approximately the same height as the supreme leader
Is their any reason they can't be taller than the fat wun? You'd imagine taller (to an extent) would be an advantage when scoping out threats.
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Old 11th Jun 2018, 19:53
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Is their any reason they can't be taller than the fat wun? You'd imagine taller (to an extent) would be an advantage when scoping out threats.
No 'personality' (actor or politician) - at least males - likes to be seen in the company of people taller than them as this accentuates their diminutive stature.
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Old 11th Jun 2018, 20:15
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The French had a helluva time finding bodyguards for General De Gaulle, he was, I think, 6'6" or 7 tall.

For effective screening, the most impressive I've seen was the motorcycle escort for the president of Algeria in 1980. You could not have put a round into his car without it passing through an escort first.

After an excellent landing etc...
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Old 11th Jun 2018, 20:22
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Criteria for selection includes a height requirement - they need to be approximately the same height as the supreme leader
Nobody in NK would be able to match him on width !
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Old 11th Jun 2018, 20:59
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I note that president Trump will have 12 hours of jet lag to deal with while president Kim has only 1. I seem to remember that some business association had a formula that suggested it took at least 5 days to re-synchronize from a 12 hr dislocation. (Sure as hell my company never honoured it.)

After an excellent landing etc...
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Old 11th Jun 2018, 21:07
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I well recall the jetlag that I experienced on my first trip to Australia.
Previous trips to Hong Kong, Singapore and Taiwan did not affect me, whereas Australia really threw me for several days.
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