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Old 25th May 2018, 02:10
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How could something so sophomoric (an American term I quite like I must admit) come from the pen of anyone else? Talleyrand he is not...
That's because he didn't write it, he only signed it. The real author probably works in the same group that authors some of his Tweets. Three things he doesn't like, reading, writing and listening (unless it is Fox News)...

Hempy, is there such a thing as honorable mention for not winning the Nobel prize when the program being worked on goes down the tubes?
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Old 25th May 2018, 02:42
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What's next ? I think NK really wants to do an atmospheric nuclear test using one of their missiles somewhere in the Pacific. To prove they can do it.
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Old 25th May 2018, 03:24
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I don’t see that happening, that’ll be the end of his regime be it by force or sanctions.
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Old 25th May 2018, 07:04
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Holy cow, Steven King is a member of congress??
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Old 25th May 2018, 07:22
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Glanced at the news purportedly showing the destruction of that NK testing facility.
One small boom on a hillside throwing up a bit of dirt and a log cabin converted to splinters. (don't they know about re-cycling lumber?)
Is that all there is?
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Old 25th May 2018, 08:24
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There is a line in the Trump letter that intrigued me. Referring to the proposed Singapore meeting, he says "we were informed that the meeting was requested by North Korea". To me this says Trump had been told by someone there was going to be a meeting in Singapore. Nobody knows who arranged it but that didn't matter.
It was obvious to a blind man on a galloping horse this meeting had slim to zero chance of happening. The man I feel sorry for is the South Korean President. It seems to me he did all the leg work and at great risk to himself in terms of the perennial oriental problem; loss of face.
On the other hand, one can imagine the conversations in the White House:
Bolton: Mr President, I understand you don't really want this thing with N. Korea to go ahead. It seems their President was too dim to see the writing on the wall when you ripped up the Iran nuclear deal so ;let me have a go. Watch the reaction to this: "Hey, Ping Pong Un, we will give you a deal just like the one we did for Qadaffi".
Trump: Yeah. Check how that worked out for Qadaffi!
No response guys. What now?
Pence: Let me have a go: "Hey, N. Korea, are you actually listening? We are offering you a Libya deal. What do you think of that?
Bingo! That got them going. Look at that reaction from N. Korea.
Trump: Good man Mike! Boy, that got them going. Now I can cancel the frigging meeting.
Incidentally, contrary to Turbine D's view on the authorship of the Trump letter, according to a White House official, "President Trump had dictated every word of his letter to Kim Jong Un".
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Old 25th May 2018, 09:02
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
"President Trump had dictated every word of his letter to Kim Jong Un".
Extracted from a spew of garbage to produce a vaguely diplomatic message.
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Old 25th May 2018, 15:08
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Originally Posted by meadowrun View Post
Glanced at the news purportedly showing the destruction of that NK testing facility.
One small boom on a hillside throwing up a bit of dirt and a log cabin converted to splinters. (don't they know about re-cycling lumber?)
Is that all there is?
The selected press Corp were near to one of the tunnels being blown up. I did notice that they were not wearing any protection. Would these tunnels have contained any radiation fallout from previous tests?
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Old 25th May 2018, 17:41
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Incidentally, contrary to Turbine D's view on the authorship of the Trump letter, according to a White House official, "President Trump had dictated every word of his letter to Kim Jong Un".


Anything coming from the WH these days can be taken with a grain of salt, especially now that Rudy G. is a WH official...
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Old 25th May 2018, 22:44
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Oooops...it might be back on - Alive!.
Like that guy with a cat and a box and a totally dark room, locked door.....
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Old 27th May 2018, 22:43
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Originally Posted by vapilot2004 View Post
I can only add the slow burn is most often due to domestic concerned, for it takes time to align (placate, nullify) impediments on the home shores before the new bridges can be built.
Indeed! I have felt that this was a quite legitimate critique that could be leveled against W. Bush and his team during the lead-up to the 2003 Iraq campaign. Cheney was running around telling other countries (I think of Spain and France in particular) that they were Nancy boys for not joining up and that they could basically eff off. Real charmer he was...

What Bush Senior and James Baker realized during the first go in the desert was the fine touch necessary to build and maintain a true coalition. They were both farsighted enough to know that you had to give leaders enough top cover so that they could square things domestically--well played on their part.

Had the consequences not been so serious the second time around it would have been humorous. Fox News (sic!) and a number of politicians were running around barking at the moon about how much they disliked the French and how they needed to rename French Fries etc. The French looked on this with the typical Gallic shrug which spun up the protagonists to even greater levels of ire. Sort of frustrating when your nemesis does not take the bait.

Nevertheless, I just hope Bolton and Trump realize that they need to give Mr. Moon in SK some cover to work this. He seems a willing mediator so why squander the asset?
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Old 28th May 2018, 05:14
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It is Mr. Moon’s job to secure his nations peace, not that of the US.
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Old 28th May 2018, 13:50
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It is Mr. Moon’s job to secure his nations peace, not that of the US.
If that is the case why is your moronic President getting himself so involved in the Korean negotiations?
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Old 28th May 2018, 14:17
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If that is the case why is your moronic President getting himself so involved in the Korean negotiations?
because inter-continental rockets and nuclear warheads are way beyond sword waving between local neighbors
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Old 28th May 2018, 14:32
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because inter-continental rockets and nuclear warheads are way beyond sword waving between local neighbors
Not to mention that NK has threatened the US many times in recent years, and seems to be intent on developing missiles capable of dropping nuclear weapons on the USA, which makes this a bit more than just a local issue that's confined to the Korean peninsula.
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Old 28th May 2018, 20:25
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If that is the case why is your moronic President getting himself so involved in the Korean negotiations?

treaty obligation. Maybe something to do with porky threatening the US as well.
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Old 31st May 2018, 05:17
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All the negotiating is going on now. NK and US officials in Singapore scoping things out. In NYC, Pompeo and Kim Yong Chol having American steaks for dinner.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news...-york-10290646

A tweet from Pompeo :
"Looking forward to meeting with Kim Yong Chol in New York to discuss @Potus potential summit with Chairman Kim. We are committed to the complete, verifiable, and irreversible denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula @StateDept,"
NK will not give up their nukes, so I wonder how this will end up ? Perhaps all that will be achieved will be a relaxation of sanctions and a hope of 'continuing dialogue'.

Not certain if the summit in Singapore will take place unless there's some miraculous agreement.
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Old 31st May 2018, 06:07
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All the negotiating is going on now. NK and US officials in Singapore scoping things out. In NYC, Pompeo and Kim Yong Chol having American steaks for dinner.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news...-york-10290646

A tweet from Pompeo :


NK will not give up their nukes, so I wonder how this will end up ? Perhaps all that will be achieved will be a relaxation of sanctions and a hope of 'continuing dialogue'.

Not certain if the summit in Singapore will take place unless there's some miraculous agreement.
Imagine one of the openers will be “will you commit to de-nuke”, if the answer isn’t a solid no, the meeting will be over in minutes.
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Old 31st May 2018, 06:50
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I actually take this as a good sign. Principals are meeting and carefully thresing out areas of agreements and disagreement. This absolutely has to be done before the two leaders step into the room (assuming that it does get that far).

Pompeo and his interlocutor both know what is going on and their duty is to see if a meeting can be green-lighted. Normally before summits there are many such meetings but the terrain is different here.

We know that the NK staff is doing its homework. I can imagine that Pompeo, possibly with the support of Mattis as an advocating voice, realizes that he should as well.

As we all know, the staff beavers away and gives their work to the boss man. He then uses or discards it as he sees fit.

Will be an interesting next twelve days.
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Old 31st May 2018, 10:44
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Nevertheless, I just hope Bolton and Trump realize that they need to give Mr. Moon in SK some cover to work this. He seems a willing mediator so why squander the asset?
Agreed to all said before this, Uncle Fred, and I agree, Moon is a key part in all of this, despite his suggestions otherwise.

Pompeo's tweet may be signaling a future reality - all posturing for now, with results set far out on the horizon, not unlike what we did with Iran before you know who spiked it. The difference being of course that Fox News wants a Rumpian™ Nobel for doing the same thing in NK.

It is Mr. Moon’s job to secure his nations peace, not that of the US.
Not like the old days, eh? The key here is knowing that Kim will not tolerate too many slaps in the face. You savvy?
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