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Old 11th Mar 2018, 21:40
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I find your arguments here to be both effete and errant. Both dulled and drilled. A quick purview of the respectable/established American press shows that many commentators are saying that while a meeting with Gloop is fraught with pitfalls, it is worth a try as nothing heretofore has worked very well.

On the other hand, a beacon of American conservatism, The National Review, is admonishing the President not to go: https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/...meet-with-kim/

Now how can this be?

When the stakes are so high, devolving this matter into a "the Dems want to see him fail" is, I would wager, a gross mis-reading of the national security posture of the United States and its allies.

The Democratic ideal is the exchange of ideas and this is certainly a topic over which there should be a vigorous exchange of views.

The question does hang in the air however, what happens if the talks do not prove fruitful or one side walks away in a huff? Mr. Dennison prides himself on eschewing a robust staff presentation so are the only options at that time the ones he deems them to be as he conjures them up? I certainly do not know.
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Old 11th Mar 2018, 22:57
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Where did I say a meeting was something I opposed?
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Old 12th Mar 2018, 17:24
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Old 12th Mar 2018, 20:20
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In the past, a nation like NK would have had to provide meaningful concessions to elevate their leader to a point deserving of a sit down with an American president. This administration has bypassed that requirement. The administration has also bypassed the typical low-level pre-meeting meetings and has little or no diplomatic support from State. Kim has consistently sought the need to be seen as an equal on the world stage. This meeting will give him that which he and his father have desired for many years, with virtually nothing given in return.

If Trump can get meaningful concessions from NK on their nuclear program, none of the above matters, however, by pursuing talks in 'his' way, the president is setting up a meeting that is an all or nothing proposition - if he fails, there will be few diplomatic paths to redress.

A recent article in The Atlantic reveals who is really behind the push for talks - South Korean President Moon.

Donald Trump and Kim Jong Un have taken center stage—but it was South Korea’s president directing the drama. - The Atlantic

Yup, the left is praying the talks fail, mid terms and all
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Old 12th Mar 2018, 21:21
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In the past, a nation like NK would have had to provide meaningful concessions to elevate their leader to a point deserving of a sit down with an American president
If there was a track record of success wrt NK, you'd have an argument. There isn't, so the unconventional is worthwhile.
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Old 12th Mar 2018, 23:13
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Yup, the left is praying the talks fail, mid terms and all
Yes, and they are meeting over a few pints with the Tea Partiers of the right!

I think you and your tag team partner, obg, both need to collect your thoughts on right and left tags, as your banter is becoming or has become stale and stupider as time goes on...
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Old 13th Mar 2018, 00:48
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One item you need to give some thought to before you make your usual left accusations, there are at least two Donald Trumps. This means you can't clearly claim there will even be talks between the US an NK at the top level at this moment in time. Domestic example:
Tuesday Trump: Raise age to 18 to buy a battlefield like rifle.
Thursday Trump: Didn't include it in his school safety plan after his talk with the NRA.

NK talk with Kim Jong Un example:
Tuesday Trump: Yes!
Thursday Trump: TBD

So unless you have inside information to the contrary, it would probably be good if you wait awhile until Trump walks back his spur of the moment Tuesday Trump demeanor and see what happens when the Thursday Trump emerges before leveling your broadside at other Americans that don't agree with your opinions.
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Old 13th Mar 2018, 02:22
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If the talks do take place It does not take a genius to predict the result. The Donald will return - like Chamberlain from Munich, proclaiming the absolute success of his brilliant negotiating skills.No matter what the end result is it will be announced as another deed that he and only he could have accomplished. Analysis of the agreement will likely be at odds with the public pronouncements. Trumps ego will not permit him to acknowledge any kind of failure, after all, he is a self proclaimed genius.
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Old 13th Mar 2018, 12:06
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This meeting is a ruse.
The Phatwun, once he comes close enough to Beaverhead - will simply blow himself up. Simples.

It'll do the world a power of good to kill two (lame) birds with one stone.
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Old 13th Mar 2018, 12:08
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Wunbadhaircut would use one of his body doubles for that and probably get one of Donny's.
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Old 13th Mar 2018, 12:23
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Perhaps they will strip search them and put it on you tube - now that would defuse the situation!
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Old 13th Mar 2018, 12:57
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NK won't give up their nukes.

They might stop or pause testing to relax sanctions, and it's possible they've already managed to miniaturise a device to fit into a ICBM warhead.

NK can't actually test a nuclear ICBM, even into a remote area of the Pacific because A) It might not work and B) If it did work then they would invite a response

I don't think anything will eventuate out of these so called 'talks', NK hasn't even agreed to them yet.

When you have 2 erratic players, anything could happen.
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Old 13th Mar 2018, 17:57
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All is not lost - The Phat-Wun is european educated (Switzerland), so he 'understands' western idealisms. Deep down inside he wants a piece of the action.
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Old 14th Mar 2018, 02:37
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The Big Meeting

IMHO,

This is the way it will come down:

The impulsive Tuesday Donald Trump exclaims, YES!

But, then the Thursday Donald Trump begins to reflect on the impulsive Donald Trump's Tuesday decision. So, the Thursday Donald Trump after consulting with many (looking at himself in a mirror) fires his Secretary of State and names a new one more to his liking, he thinks.

But then, the new Secretary nominee must be vetted and approved by the US Congressional Senate, not a quick process. Now this gives the Thursday Trump a way out of his Tuesday Trump's impulsive, "YES" exclamation. He walks back the "YES" and blames the Senatorial Democrats for the Thursday Trump not meeting with the Kimster. Weak, you say? We'll see...
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Old 14th Mar 2018, 10:31
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Is there anyone left in his entourage who has been there since he took office? I guess Ivanka is but she's heading for the door after the prostitute debacle......

Trumps like having a cold shower, I guess - invigourating, wakes you up, makes you focus....but we all know we're waiting for the hot water to return........
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Old 16th Mar 2018, 22:14
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https://news.sky.com/story/north-kor...lysts-11292081
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Old 16th Mar 2018, 22:19
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If they'd actually just use it for their own peoples electrical needs, things would be fine.
Not like it's not needed. Satellite images of the region at night show a big black hole.
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Old 28th Mar 2018, 07:36
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Yung Fat Wun summoned to Beijing and told to wind his neck in.

China and N Korea confirm Kim Jong-un visit - BBC News
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Old 28th Mar 2018, 09:24
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I read Un wants confirmation on the part of the Six Party Talks agreement whereby NK staying out of the South guarantees his safety.
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Old 28th Mar 2018, 10:26
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I wonder how few people in Pyongyang knew he was going to China.
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