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Old 28th Aug 2014, 22:12
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Another force should be brought in to investigate South Yorkshire Police. That I think is a pretty good idea that is unlikely however to be actioned upon.
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Old 28th Aug 2014, 23:39
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If an outsider may be allowed to make a comment: it seems to me that the problem that has now been acknowledged to exist could be likened to the old truism that goes "if you owe the bank a million Pounds and can't repay it, you have a problem; if you owe the bank one hundred million Pounds and you can't repay it, the bank has a problem".

So many people in positions of power are (OK, let's be PC - would seem to be) implicated in this terrible business that it has no chance of getting anywhere. A couple of middle level scapegoats will be found, but the ones anywhere near the top will just shuffle between high-paying jobs, pensions will be kept, bonuses will continue to be paid, knighthoods will continue to be granted (perhaps a few lesser 'unfortunates' might not get the nod), and business as usual will continue.

A few pages back, someone commented that the women of the families of these Pakistani male creatures will have known what's been going on but will have been too afraid to speak out. I can only give an example of women of a different but not totally dissimilar culture relatively new to Australia ('relatively new' as in most of them arriving here 40-odd years ago).

There has been widespread very similar grooming and pack raping of young Anglo females by Lebanese males in Sydney's western suburbs, which mostly went unreported until one young woman went public. In the trial, the women of the rapists' families screamed abuse at the judge (and were allowed to return to court day after day to do so - sound familiar?). The girl also testified that after she had been pack raped for some hours by a half dozen men, she escaped and approached a middle aged female for help. The middle aged female, of Lebanese extraction, returned her to the males she had escaped from, who then subjected her to another six hours of multiple rape before they let her free.

The women of this culture all too often teach their sons that they should "use" the "white sluts" to get rid of their male urges so as to protect the virtue of young women of their own community. Politically Incorrect? It certainly is, but no less accurate for being so.
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Old 28th Aug 2014, 23:50
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Andu ..... and you can bet your last quid that it is still happening.
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Old 29th Aug 2014, 01:24
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Its not just the asians - believe me!

I have become aware of a situation where one of the misguided souls who become infatuated with a violent thug was repeatedly beaten, and finally, kidnapped by him, and when she escaped after some days, the police returned her to her ex husband with the comment "Oi, we've got something for you" and basically chucked her out of the car at him.

He later hit her so hard he broke her jaw and she has had all her teeth removed and full plates made due to the ongoing discomfort - but because she won't lay a complaint, the police don't investigate!

Civilisation is a wafer thin veneer and we ignore that at our peril.

If I find myself in a position to help I will at least try, even though it has its frustrations and disappointments, because sometimes it can come right, and that makes it all worth while, like watching the chemistry of the mother/daughter relationship a few hours ago, in an albeit accidental meet up, and seeing them both light up with pure pleasure.

Now how the hell did that happen 1,400 times and no-one do anything about it?

1,400 - seventy school buses, almost fifty intake classes - it just doesn't bear thinking about!
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Old 29th Aug 2014, 01:33
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Someone made the comment about what does a father do if they are not big, fat and ugly.

I am not aggressive by nature - until my goat gets up - and I don't get into fights - but where I have had to confront people - neighbour once, a thief in my driveway the other week or where someone has fronted me, GENERALLY if you play it stiff but cool (as it don't look timid and don't look scared but don't look aggreesive - in a lot cases they back down.

Now Pakis are not generally the biggest of blokes / people, similar to Indians, so I can't see them when confronted, especially if you managed to get only one or two together - to do anything but be submissive.

So I am surprised NO ONE at least confronted some of these guys.

800 parents in Northern England and every single one of them is a passive person ? Not sure where the soccer clubs up there get their fans from then !



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You are from Manchester, what is your take on it / why none
of the parents did anything ?
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Old 29th Aug 2014, 01:51
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This is a case of life imitating art. The Beeb did a series a year or two ago (along the same lines as 'Broadchurch') with this very topic as its main theme. (Unlike Broadchurch, it was sited somewhere in the very bleak North.)

I can't remember the name, but the basic plot involved a smooth, good looking young Pakistani guy (no jokes please) who would court/groom the (usually very) young girls and by degree, convince them to provide sex, first for his mates and then older Pakistani men. The girls are almost always from lower class, dysfunctional (or no) homes and very much on the edge of society, engendering little to no sympathy from the police or social workers.

In the Sydney cases, it's not dissimilar to start with - the usual MO is for one Lebanese to pick up some young Anglo girl who's not unhappy to go to have sex with him, but when he's got her in some isolated lover's lane, he then gets on his mobile and sends a text to all his mates, who then turn up for 'seconds++', which the girl is almost without exception NOT happy to oblige them with. However, as these males have been told (quite literally) since they were on their mothers' knees, the fact that the girl was willing to have sex with one man makes her a total slut, so she's fair game for everyone who wants to have sex with her, and they see absolutely nothing wrong with such thinking.

Edited to add that my 'life imitating art' comment is probably totally wrong. Years ago, the BBC writers, along with how many thousands of others, knew this was going on in real life and wrote about what they knew was happening in real life.

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Old 29th Aug 2014, 04:14
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Front-line youth workers who submitted reports in 2002, 2003 and 2006 expressing their alarm at the scale of the child sex-offending say the town hall told them to keep quiet about the ethnicity of the perpetrators in the interests of “community cohesion”.

More than a few heads need to roll over this.


Rotherham: In the face of such evil, who is the racist now? - Telegraph
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Old 29th Aug 2014, 05:52
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From the South Yorkshire Police web site, dated 8th.Feb.2013......


The "Diversity in Action Team Award" goes to "Rotherham Town Safer Neighbourhood Team".


"The award was made in recognition of the dedication and work of the Rotherham Town Safer Neighbourhood Team. Their work has ensured positive relations with local community and promoted diversity awareness in their day to day work".


P.s. Note the date..... the grooming of young, white, Anglo Saxon girls in the Rotherham area had been warned about for some period of years prior to this award.
F.F.S. ! you couldn't make this sort of s**t up
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Old 29th Aug 2014, 06:38
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The people being howled at for investigation aren't going anywhere,half the buggas doing the abusing will be sitting in granpa's house in pakistan by now,the other half sitting with suitcases packed and ready tickets ready for the off since the report came out, are we not doing the same thing as officialdom did? ignoring the main villains hoping they will get out before they become a embarrassment.

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Old 29th Aug 2014, 07:13
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Were the South Yorkshire Police the ones who were all over Cliff Richard the other day?
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Old 29th Aug 2014, 07:37
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Were the South Yorkshire Police the ones who were all over
Cliff Richard the other day?
Yes, same group.
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Old 29th Aug 2014, 09:10
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"Hi, its Ali here. Can you send a taxi over to the Take-away to collect my order and then pick up a six pack of Cobra from the corner store? Also, on the way back, grab a couple of eleven year olds from the kids home?"

Rotherham: 'Brazen' sex abusers sent taxis to collect girls from children's home - Telegraph
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Old 29th Aug 2014, 09:14
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Pity the Telegraph has a firewall.

Would love to read that article.

Where were the parents ?


It's no wonder some people go to the media.

In this instance, it might have been a good way to get the whole thing exposed.
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Old 29th Aug 2014, 09:41
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Pity the Telegraph has a firewall.
Clear the telegraph.co.uk cookie and you should be able to access te next dozen articles.
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Old 29th Aug 2014, 11:40
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Pity the Telegraph has a firewall.

Would love to read that article.
For those unable to jump the paywall........

Rotherham's sex abusers "brazenly" picked up girls as young as 11 from their children's home and in some cases sent taxis to collect them, a former care worker has disclosed.

The unnamed male care worker told the BBC that the abusers made "absolutely no attempts to disguise what they were doing."

He claimed staff were reluctant to intervene in some cases for fear of being classed as "racist".

The taxi drivers would get to know the girls while working on official council business, the source said.

The girls would be taken by cab from the home to schools. But they would quickly start grooming them, giving them drugs and alcohol, the source added.



Young girls told the inquiry they actively avoided using taxis at night. Drivers would take the longest route possible and ask them how old they were. The conversations would become flirtatious, often with the references to sex.
Girls told how they would sometimes exchange sexual favours for lifts in taxis.
“One of the taxis was under contract to via RNBC. A phone call from us with a password and that would then be charged to Rotherham Borough Council,” the source told the BBC.
His allegations follow claims in The Times that senior staff at Rotherham council ordered a raid on one of their offices to remove case files and wipe computer records detailing the scale and severity of the town's sex-grooming crisis.
A report has found that at least 1,400 children were sexually exploited in the town by men predominantly of Pakistani heritage between 1997 and 2013.
The abuse they suffered included beatings, rape and trafficking to various towns and cities in England, Prof Alexis Jay's report revealed on Tuesday.
The care worker told the BBC men would arrive almost "every night" and often the girls, who lived at the home and escaped using a range of methods, would be collected by taxis.
"Sometimes, [the men] would phone and they would pick up around the corner, but sometimes they would just turn up and pick up at the children's home," he said.
"It depended on how brazen they were or how much heat they thought was on at the time.
"They did genuinely think who was on shift, who would be likely to go outside the children's unit.
"I used to make a deliberate attempt to let them know that I had clocked their car, that I was taking their registration plate."
He said he confronted some of the men, despite warnings from his colleagues some carried knives.
"They would laugh it off with a good smirk," he continued.
"It was very much about the drug culture and the alcohol and the party.
"They would sometimes say that they would have you stabbed or shot by one of their associates."
Each time a girl went missing police were called, but officers usually only arrived when the child got back to the home, sometimes "high on drugs" or "incredibly drunk", he said.
"They led us very much on a merry dance and there wasn't much we could do apart from keep documenting," he said.
"And we documented every single night, and we spoke to social workers. The social workers were passing that on.
"Everything we passed on, nothing seemed to go further in any way shape or form."
He said he eventually left the home over his frustrations he was failing the children in his care and said he was not surprised at the revelations in Prof Jay's report.
"These young people have already been sexually abused, in many cases," he said.
"The abused very rarely blame the abuser.
"There were some horrific cases of abuse within the family and yet they still loved their parent."
He said children who have been abused do not blame their attacker simply because they "are struggling for love".
"[But] you cannot provide love in a children's unit," he said.
"It's one thing that you can't provide, and as a corporate parent it's where we fail. "
"And if [the abusers] are providing that, plus drugs, and alcohol and freedoms, or perceived freedoms, then we're never going to be able to keep them safe."
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Old 29th Aug 2014, 14:37
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I wish to join the list of those, particularly here, whom wonder why at least some of the parents didn't scream merry hell to all and sundry, once they were aware of what was going on. The numbers involved surely could have been been heard somewhere? Yes, we all know they would have been threatened by the Police/Authorities with the race card, at the very least but sorry, if it was my daughter at risk, I wouldn't have stopped there and, would have organised a well publicised demonstration march at the very very least!

Something I've never understood (maybe naively) in these cases (and there's been quite a number of them in recent years) - most of these occur in deprived/poorer/benefit dependant Northern cities, where the Pakistani Asians seem to have a monopoly of flash expensive cars plus, cash, etc. to splash around - 1) where does all this finance originate from? and; 2) don't the local indegenes see this and feel aggrieved at all at being superceded on their own turf? (I think somebody else here has also similarly asked the latter question.)

Lastly, I presume the taxi's mentioned earlier today, are run by companies of the same/similar ethnic community and, would be willing to bet they were in some way in cahoots with the other perpetrators...?
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Old 29th Aug 2014, 15:15
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BBC News - Rotherham child abuse scandal: The background to the report
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Old 29th Aug 2014, 16:17
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Been asking that since the beginning of the thread Mr Ranger,it's all about punishing the Keepers not the Elephant in the room.
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Old 29th Aug 2014, 17:07
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Reading that report in the post above, I would say the answer is no.

Interesting that it also says in Lancashire, in one year 200 Prosecutions,
South Yorkshire, None, Zero.

And then it lists the resignations over time !!!

It makes you wonder.
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Old 29th Aug 2014, 18:12
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most of these occur in deprived/poorer/benefit dependant Northern cities
Where arguably the girls are more vulnerable, easily impressed and manipulatable.

I can't imagine any rational person with empathy not being utterly disgusted by this, it could have been our daughters that were put through this hell ffs. If it were my daughter I'd be out there with a double barrel believe me.

That disgust however is almost matched by the fact that nothing will be done about it whilst we all have to be' multicultural' and 'sensitive' to the needs of certain ethnic communities and deal with an establishment ingrained not to accept blame and 'pass the buck'.

The irony is here as I have stated is that whilst the 'P' or 'M' word is rarely mentioned, occasionally the 'A' word is, and my Sikh friends from Yorkshire, friends over many years from when I was an IT consultant for a time in Pudsey for Halifax, are highly pissed off being tarred with the same brush.

How many Chinese/Malay/Japanese/Indian/Thai/Uzbek/Kazakh <list goes on> were involved in this? I'd hazard a guess.... Zero.

Zero.

But you'd never know it from the news.
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