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Old 8th Aug 2018, 21:23
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/t...ling-khzdxbppg

Three in Rochdale grooming gang face deportation after appeal ruling

Judges have stripped three men of British citizenship after they were jailed for grooming young girls for sexual exploitation in Rochdale which means they now face deportation to Pakistan.

The Court of Appeal ruled today in the cases of Abdul Aziz, Adil Khan and Qari Abdul Rauf, who were among nine men jailed in May 2012 after being found guilty of grooming and sexual exploiting several young girls. In some cases the girls, aged in their early teens, were raped and then offered to paying customers in Rochdale and Oldham.

Aziz, Khan and Rauf were informed by the Home Office in 2015 that they would be stripped of their British citizenship. All three men challenged the decision, arguing that being stripped of citizenship amounted to a breach of their human rights. However, both the first tier tribunal (FTT) for immigration and asylum and then the upper tribunal rejected their arguments.The lower tribunal said it had no hesitation in finding that, given the “grave nature” of their crimes, the consequences to the men and their families did not outweigh the public interest in depriving them of their citizenship.

The men represented themselves before three judges at a Court of Appeal hearing in July. All three men argued that the previous tribunals did not take enough account of the fact that they may be deported as a result of the decision to remove their citizenship. Khan continued to maintain that he was not guilty of any crime.

Rejecting their appeals, Lord Justice Sales and two other judges ruled today that both levels of tribunal had made a “proper and lawful assessment” of the likelihood of deportation. Lord Justice Sales ruled: “Given the extremely serious nature of the offending by each appellant, there is no good ground for calling that conclusion into question. There was no error of law by the FTT.”

The judge added that “all the men treated the girls as though they were worthless and beyond all respect. They were motivated by lust and greed.” He went on to say that if the Home Office decided to deport the men, each would have the right to appeal and would be entitled to argue that deportation would infringe their human rights and those of their family.

All three men are from Rochdale and were found guilty at Liverpool crown court of conspiracy to engage in sexual activity with children younger than 16 and of trafficking for sexual exploitation.

Aziz, who was one of the ringleaders of the gang and referred to by some of the others as “the master”, was jailed for nine years. Abdul Rauf, a married father of five children, was jailed for six years and Khan for eight years.......

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Old 8th Aug 2018, 22:11
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Fantastic news. I'll buy that judge a drink.
Unbelievable how they sited deporting them would deny them their human rights. Obviously not capable of realising that they denied all those young girls their human rights.
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Old 9th Aug 2018, 00:16
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Don't get too excited yet folks as quote " He went on to say that if the Home Office decided to deport the men, each would have the right
to appeal and would be entitled to argue that deportation would infringe their human rights and those of their family" You just know some
lawyer will use this when the nasty so and so's are released.
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Old 9th Aug 2018, 08:20
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Originally Posted by Nervous SLF View Post
Don't get too excited yet folks as quote " He went on to say that if the Home Office decided to deport the men, each would have the right
to appeal and would be entitled to argue that deportation would infringe their human rights and those of their family" You just know some
lawyer will use this when the nasty so and so's are released.
I agree. It won't take long for some Guardian readers to back these people up and complain about their treatment by the 'racist, facist British state'. As Naz Shah, the Labour MP tweeted,
"Those abused girls in Rotherham and elsewhere just need to shut their mouths. For the good of diversity".
As an aside, she complained about Boris J's comments!!
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Old 9th Aug 2018, 15:40
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And on the subject of learning lessons, this report suggests the curriculum involved systematic abuse......and did not involve anybody of Asian ethnicity ....which may make uncomfortable reading for some

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...tholic-schools
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Old 9th Aug 2018, 15:44
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What the hell has that got to do with the Rotherham scandal?
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Old 9th Aug 2018, 16:48
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Well, it's all about a minority group of believers committing appalling crimes whilst sheltering in and being protected by the much larger community of which it is a part.
Because of the apparent vulnerability of that larger community, its actions were largely ignored by the greater society around it, even though many in authority in that society know perfectly well what atrocities were being committed.
One solution to such sadistic and salacious scandalous sexual deviancy would be to admit that some groups of people are more prone to specific predilections than others, rather like doggers and anglers, don't you know and the French eat garlic too while the Russians eat each other when they're starving. But then again, I fear to say, political correctness knows no boundaries in its loathing for any moral compass of mankind, humanity or civilisation.
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Old 9th Aug 2018, 18:06
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Originally Posted by Andy_S View Post
What the hell has that got to do with the Rotherham scandal?
It's the perversion of organised religion.
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Old 9th Aug 2018, 19:39
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Fantastic news. I'll buy that judge a drink.
Unbelievable how they sited deporting them would deny them their human rights. Obviously not capable of realising that they denied all those young girls their human rights.
The most worrying thing to me is that this vile paedophilia abuse of young girls has been happening under our noses systematically for the last thirty years or so and in *every* major city, with thousands of victims likely per city, and perhaps many, many tens of thousands (and likely in the hundreds of thousands) victims in total. We are talking huge, huge numbers.

And how many convictions? Perhaps less than a hundred..... most of these vile filthy perpetrators are still walking free.

Perhaps it is time for the Police to visit the local Imams for "community consultation", as any arrests might damage cultural relations, or whatever word is flavour of the month.
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It seems we may well be able to add Huddersfield to the growing list of large-scale child abuse: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-45193514

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Well, they all no doubt share one common factor completely unremarked upon and ignored in that BBC (and now the Guardian also) article.
The Liberal media can only stick their heads in the sand for so long.
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I've changed my mind. This is the list of published names of the accused - the names of the others accused have been withheld for legal reasons:

Banaras Hussain 37, of Shipley, charged with one count of rape of a female over 16

Banaris Hussain, 35, of Huddersfield, charged with one count of rape of a girl aged 13-15

Mohammed Suhail Arif, 30, of Huddersfield, charged with rape of girl aged 13-15

Iftikar Ali, 37, of Huddersfield, charged with attempted rape of girl aged 13-15 and three counts of rape of a girl aged 13-15

Mohammed Sajjad, 31, of Huddersfield, charged with four counts of rape of a female age 13-15, one rape of a girl under 13 and facilitating the commission of a child sex offence

Fehreen Rafiq, 38, of Huddersfield, charged with two counts of facilitating the commission of a child sex offence

Umar Zaman, 30, of Huddersfield, charged with two counts of rape of a female aged 13-15

Basharat Hussain, 31, of Huddersfield, charged with two counts of rape of a female aged 13-15

Amin Ali Choli, 36, of Huddersfield, charged with two counts of rape of a female over 16-years-old

Shaqeel Hussain, 35, of Dewsbury, charged with rape of a female aged 13-15 and two counts of trafficking

Mubasher Hussain, 35, of Huddersfield, charged with rape of a female aged 13-15 and sexual assault

Abdul Majid, 34, of Huddersfield, charged with two counts of rape of female aged 13-15

Mohammed Dogar, 35, of Huddersfield, charged with two counts of facilitating the commission of child sex offence

Usman Ali, 32, of Huddersfield, charged with two counts of rape of a female aged 13-15

Mohammed Waqas Anwar, 29, of Huddersfield, charged with five counts of rape of a female aged 13-15

Gul Riaz, 42, of Huddersfield, charged with rape of a female aged 13-15

Mohammed Akram, 41, of Huddersfield, charged with two counts of trafficking with a view to sexual exploitation of a female and rape of a female aged 14-15

Manzoor Akhtar, 29, of Huddersfield, charged with trafficking and three counts of rape of a female aged 13-15

Samuel Fikru, 30, of Camden, charged with two counts of rape of a female aged 13-15
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Alas, no Smith and Jones there then...
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Alas, no Smith and Jones there then...
Probably all converts to the faith.
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The Liberal media can only stick their heads in the sand for so long.
You want a bet on that?
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Just listened to an LBC podcast and was disturbed to hear a new facet to this grooming scandal.

Apparently a young girl befriended somebody on Instagram alleging to be local, young, good looking etc (false photos). but they turned out to be groomers in Saudi Arabia who after asking for a mild photo then upped the ante until the poor girl was sending extremely explicit media on the threat that if she didn't they would send the stuff to her friends. Eventually father had to take a month off work to sort all of this out involving various UK authorities who stated to him this is a huge problem originating from both KSA and Pakistan and that they were effectively powerless to act.

The scum over there even can reach our young. I post this because the father in question, and he sounded absolutely broken, had warned his daughter about the dangers of social media, had partially monitored her, but after being blackmailed she managed to keep it secret. An articulate guy he managed to get through to the head of this computer crime section at Scotland Yard who stated he has banned his children from social media completely. Facebook/Instagram were useless apparently.

If you do have kids and they have social media then warn them, these scum are like viruses, they'll spend all their time just blackmailing children without any worry about being caught, absolutely bloody sickening. Naturally not all come from such countries but the fact that they are increasingly prevalent is a worrisome trend.
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Originally Posted by flash8 View Post
Just listened to an LBC podcast and was disturbed to hear a new facet to this grooming scandal.

Apparently a young girl befriended somebody on Instagram alleging to be local, young, good looking etc (false photos). but they turned out to be groomers in Saudi Arabia who after asking for a mild photo then upped the ante until the poor girl was sending extremely explicit media on the threat that if she didn't they would send the stuff to her friends. Eventually father had to take a month off work to sort all of this out involving various UK authorities who stated to him this is a huge problem originating from both KSA and Pakistan and that they were effectively powerless to act.

The scum over there even can reach our young. I post this because the father in question, and he sounded absolutely broken, had warned his daughter about the dangers of social media, had partially monitored her, but after being blackmailed she managed to keep it secret. An articulate guy he managed to get through to the head of this computer crime section at Scotland Yard who stated he has banned his children from social media completely. Facebook/Instagram were useless apparently.

If you do have kids and they have social media then warn them, these scum are like viruses, they'll spend all their time just blackmailing children without any worry about being caught, absolutely bloody sickening. Naturally not all come from such countries but the fact that they are increasingly prevalent is a worrisome trend.
Wonder what the punishment is for child rape in Saudi Arabia............
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Originally Posted by flash8 View Post
Just listened to an LBC podcast and was disturbed to hear a new facet to this grooming scandal.

Apparently a young girl befriended somebody on Instagram alleging to be local, young, good looking etc (false photos). but they turned out to be groomers in Saudi Arabia who after asking for a mild photo then upped the ante until the poor girl was sending extremely explicit media on the threat that if she didn't they would send the stuff to her friends. Eventually father had to take a month off work to sort all of this out involving various UK authorities who stated to him this is a huge problem originating from both KSA and Pakistan and that they were effectively powerless to act.

The scum over there even can reach our young. I post this because the father in question, and he sounded absolutely broken, had warned his daughter about the dangers of social media, had partially monitored her, but after being blackmailed she managed to keep it secret. An articulate guy he managed to get through to the head of this computer crime section at Scotland Yard who stated he has banned his children from social media completely. Facebook/Instagram were useless apparently.

If you do have kids and they have social media then warn them, these scum are like viruses, they'll spend all their time just blackmailing children without any worry about being caught, absolutely bloody sickening. Naturally not all come from such countries but the fact that they are increasingly prevalent is a worrisome trend.
Not all but it’s fair to say a very large percentage do
come from such countries !
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Then how about the Potts family from Coventry? Not a very Islamic or Pakistani name, is it?
Read about them here: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...judge-12937870
Note: the "lessons will be learned" thing sounds a bit hollow in this case. The first complaint was brought to the attention of the police in 1989 but nothing was done!
3 more complaints brought against this family in 2015 met the same fate; nothing done.
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Old 29th Aug 2018, 22:11
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Then how about the Potts family from Coventry? Not a very Islamic or Pakistani name, is it?
Read about them here: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...judge-12937870
Note: the "lessons will be learned" thing sounds a bit hollow in this case. The first complaint was brought to the attention of the police in 1989 but nothing was done!
3 more complaints brought against this family in 2015 met the same fate; nothing done.
All of the cases of child sex and physical abuse, no matter the Religious or ethnicity background, are crimes most foul. I am just happy that in these modern times we now believe children enough to investigate the claims further.
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