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Old 26th Jul 2014, 23:15
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This thread will not solve the crisis, nor will it make anyone's blood pressure lower.

However, I would make one point to all those people who consider Israel to be the aggressor.......

In the last two years, Muslims have: -

Murdered Christians in Pakistan, Philipines, Kenya and Nigeria;
Brainwashed hundreds of thousands of European school children that anything western is 'haram' (forbidden) and that women are worse than second class citizens;
Abducted and probably enslaved at least 250 girls from northern Nigeria; and
Killed hundreds of thousands of fellow Moslems in Syria and Iraq.

And yet there have been no abusive demonstrations against the obvious aggressors in these cases; merely wringing of hands, platitudes and no action by overseas governments. So why all the concern about the Palestinians?? Answer - you are all antisemites.

There have been anti-Israeli demonstrations outside an israeli product shop in Manchester. The participants have not been Arab or Moslem but white agitators who enjoy a fight. Had these same people been vocal in expressing concern for the fate of the Nigerian girls, I would think differently, but Jews are an easy target outside Israel. Well, we Jews are fighting for our lives - as we have done since Roman times and this time we have the upper hand and we are damn well going to make sure that we survive. The only place we can be sure of that is in a land which we run for ourselves. If you don't like it - tough.
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Old 26th Jul 2014, 23:21
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http://www.aol.com/article/2014/07/2...6pLid%3D507434

Hamas said it fired five rockets at Israel late Saturday after rejecting Israel's offer to extend a 12-hour humanitarian cease-fire by four hours, casting new doubt on international efforts to broker an end to 19 days of fighting.

Hamas said two of the rockets were aimed at Tel Aviv. Police in Israel's second-largest city dispersed a peace rally attended by several thousand people because of the threat, a spokesman said.
Well, so much for the peace rally.
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Old 26th Jul 2014, 23:27
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This has to be the biggest 'own goal' and attempted atrocity so far - aiming rockets at a city with civilians in the open protesting in favour of what Hamas claims it is trying to achieve.

Or has everyone in Hamas got an IQ lower than their shoe size*?



*UK shoe size
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Old 26th Jul 2014, 23:32
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Old 26th Jul 2014, 23:35
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Despite the fact that that proposed Zionist map was written ages ago by one guy, and certainly doesn't represent the official Israeli position today...

...I might suggest that if indeed all that territory was to become part of a "New Israel", the inhabitants, be they Jewish, Muslim, or Christian, would now reside in a peaceful, dynamic, and very prosperous part of the world.
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Old 26th Jul 2014, 23:40
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I'm sure Hamas are making the most of the cease fire to import more rockets and position them. Certainly the Islraelis will be doing similar, however it will be in preparation for the inevitable attack from Gaza.
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Old 26th Jul 2014, 23:43
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I'm sure Hamas are making the most of the cease fire to import more rockets and position them. Certainly the Israelis will be doing similar, however it will be in preparation for the inevitable attack from Gaza.
Meanwhile the BBC and other lefty media outlets will continue to bombard their viewers with tear jerking footage of killed and maimed Palestinians.
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Old 26th Jul 2014, 23:47
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lefty media outlets will continue to bombard their viewers with tear jerking footage of killed and maimed Palestinians.
is there footage of killed and maimed Israelis for the lefty or righty media to show?
A happy and holy Sunday to all
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Old 27th Jul 2014, 00:01
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I might suggest that if indeed all that territory was to become part of a "New Israel", the inhabitants, be they Jewish, Muslim, or Christian, would now reside in a peaceful, dynamic, and very prosperous part of the world.
So said obgraham.....and I (and I suspect many others) agree.
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Old 27th Jul 2014, 00:13
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21 pages of self-proclaimed experts commenting pretty much without any personal experience.... have you boys solved it yet, or? Another 800 posts of prick waving might do the trick?

You'd think it would be a lot less entertaining than it actually is though.
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Old 27th Jul 2014, 01:45
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Also true. But as we can see from the maps above, that hasn't stopped them from settling vast areas of land, much of it in contravention of UN resolutions.

The assumption being that the UN is an unbiased forum only interested in fair play!


When one looks at the composition of the UN and which countries hold which positions on various committees etc. the possibility that the UN is unbiased, or even correct in its policy, goes straight out of the window.
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Old 27th Jul 2014, 02:00
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Originally Posted by DevX View Post
Don't only blame the Germans, Jews were a persecuted race well before that Austrian megalomaniac came on the scene, it's just that memories of the atrocities carried out during WW2 are still in living memory.
Yes...the rest of the world have persecuted the Jews for 3000 years. Of course, the Jews must have been simply receiving bad press for all that time...they certainly didn't do anything to make everyone else hate them for millennia..

Quite simply the Holocaust gave the western world a guilt complex that has been fed and encouraged ever since. If it wasn't for the Germans, Israel today would still be a handful of kibitzes..

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Old 27th Jul 2014, 02:27
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Can somebody in the know advise me the composition of the Gaza armed forces, the uniformed ones that is. I have never seen anyone in any sort of uniform so how is it possible to defend oneself with out harming civilians? Surely the press should be calling these victims non-combatants rather than civilians?
 
Old 27th Jul 2014, 03:34
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prospector - They only wear uniforms for photo opportunities, like running through their tunnels, armed to the teeth, not to defend themselves but to attack the Israelis.
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Old 27th Jul 2014, 04:55
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Interesting article. neoneocon.com

About those Gazan tunnels…

…it’s even worse than you might think:

Using further eyewitness reports, the article describes how Hamas has integrated the tunnel network into the civilian infrastructure of Gaza, constructing entrances in homes and even mosques. “I have not entered one civilian home that did not have weapons, suicide belts, or booby traps in it,” the source told the Post, stressing the lengths to which the IDF goes to protect innocent civilians caught in the crossfire, regardless.

Much more from Powerline:

Hamas was apparently a few months away from conducting a mass attack on Israeli civilians during the upcoming Jewish holiday of Rosh Hashana, on September 24. The raid would have been like something out of a movie: hundreds of heavily-armed Hamas fighters would have emerged from over a dozen underground tunnels in the dead of night, jogged 10 minutes to their targets, and then infiltrated a set of lightly-populated and lightly-guarded Israeli communities. Casualties could have reached the thousands, and some of the victims would have been taken back alive as hostages.

The offensive attack tunnels seem to quite literally have been built for this kind of purpose. The IDF recently published a map of how they were dug to spill out on both sides of nearby communities (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtYjL4mCAAAI6c6.png). Israeli soldiers have been reporting that just inside some of the tunnels were storage units filled with tranquilizers, handcuffs, ropes, and so on…

If the reports are confirmed, there are some immediate adjustments that analysts, journalists, and diplomats will all but certainly make:

(1) A ceasefire without at least the destruction of Hamas’s tunnel network would likely becomes a non-starter. It would be militarily untenable – and probably politically impossible – for Israeli leaders to accept anything less.

(2) The inevitable Israeli investigation into pre-conflict failures – and the Israelis always hold these, no matter how well things go – will have to take into account both how so many tunnels got built and why Israeli intelligence failed to crack the tunnel plot earlier. There’s a lot of focus right now on the former, but a lot of the digging and earth moving happened underground. It’s the latter debate, about sigint and humint, that has the potential to cost people careers.

(3) Confirmation of the plot would raise the stakes in the growing controversy over how human rights groups and diplomatic bodies pressured the Israelis into liberalizing restrictions on cement imports. Kilometers and kilometers of reinforced tunnels were being built deep into Israeli territory while Gaza-based offiicals railed against cement shortages

Given all of this, the objections to the Israeli offensive become more and more absurd. Some people will not rest until Israel is no more, and they would like to intimidate Israel into committing suicide.
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Old 27th Jul 2014, 05:09
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What's the likely end game to this?

Somebody has to lose. probably both sides will, but what will it look like?

eventually the Hamas will run low on rockets and low on tunnels and higher on hate.

The Isralies will run low on supporters and tire of killing palestinians but at the same time need to make life in palestine even harder to tolerate going to the store to buy less and less goods.

Will the sides simply tire and sign no formal treaty and just wait until Hamas can build back up again.

Maybe Hamas can forget about rockets that are beat down by the shield, and forget about tunnels that need to be re-dug and revert to catapults to throw over suicide bombers that once they land can scurry off to an Isralie market and blow themselves up.

Hamas ought to be able to indoctrinate several hundred suicide bombers willing to be catapulted to save their family members from being shelled.

Will the rocket shield work on flying bodies, I bet it won't
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Old 27th Jul 2014, 05:43
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Andu.

So what?

They are only doing what you would do if you found yourself in the same situation.

You'd regard yourself as an honourable fighter, a member of the resistance.

The problem comes from our poorly thought out idea of creating a home for one people, located in another peoples country.

With hindsight, we oughtn't have done it.

God help us, if it could only be undone.
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Old 27th Jul 2014, 05:59
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Andu, that would certainly change the media reporting on this current war in Gaza.
They are only doing what you would do if you found yourself in the same situation.
Mmm AtomKraft, can you speak for someone else? Their ethic may be stronger held than yours

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Old 27th Jul 2014, 06:29
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One mans 'terrorist' is another mans 'freedom fighter'. Theres no answer, other than to have science remove testosterone from the gene pool. Politics, religion, history...whatever the 'cause', wars are only fought because men are men.

Its always happened, it always will. Too many haven't evolved past base instinct, and never will. Human nature
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Old 27th Jul 2014, 06:37
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Guys.
All I'm saying is that the current 'difficulties' in the region are symptoms of the problem.
They are not in themselves, the root, or the source of the problem.

The problem, is that we gave the territory of one people, to another.

And quite rightly, they'd like it back.
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