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Old 19th Oct 2015, 08:06
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...what happened to the "once in a generation" promise?
The SNP were working on old statistics when they said 'once on a generation'. Teenage pregnancy has fallen massively in Scotland (vide Scotland's teenage pregnancy rates continue to decline - BBC News *) so a 'generation' (def: as the average period between the birth of parents and the birth of their offspring) is longer now than the (outdated) time that the SNP obviously still have in their minds.
(* That statistic given for Scotland is 35% lower in England and Wales...)

Onto another topic:
Originally Posted by sadhatmo
I must say that in the entirety of my time spent living and working in Scotland, and in the subsequent visits, last month most recently, I have not experienced the Scottish as xenophobic in national or personal character - the opposite actually.
sadhatmo has obviously been fortunate to have lived in decent areas and dealt with decent people. That is not difficult as most of that country is decent. (In almost all aspects of background, sadhatmo and I seem very similar in this...) BUT, the jovial 'anti-English' banter can, and does, easily slide into blatant xenophobia in some of the 'lesser' sections of the population. This could even be considered as 'institutional' when the police wouldn't respond to "English go home" graffiti and "English go home" stickers on the doors of 'English' run businesses. If there were "[Anyone] go home" graffiti or similar stickers in England there would be howls of 'xenophobia' and 'racism' followed very rapidly by police action. It is this 'lower' section of the Scottish population that the Scots need to get on top of, as well as the likes of that 'snotty-nosed brat' who was put in his place by George Galloway that I mentioned earlier.

(Would it be 'xenophobic' if I said how disappointed I am that the Scots were unable to knock those Aussies out and get them to 'go home' early?!!!)

(If Tom Joad is still around, go up the High Street to Howies, look under the counter near the very left, near the sliced black pudding, and you will find that fruit pudding. 5/kg. Delicious! Got some a week ago...)
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Old 19th Oct 2015, 10:33
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slide into blatant xenophobia in some of the 'lesser' sections of the population
much the same accusation could be levelled at many of the English here.
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Old 19th Oct 2015, 10:53
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Lon, there are sections of all societies that will be able to have xenophobic accusations levelled at them. In England the graffiti and stickers that I mentioned would be pounced on and dealt with. In Scotland that is brushed aside more readily. That is the problem. It's a pity because it taints the image of all those extremely friendly and pleasant Scots that one so easily meets in that beautiful part of the UK.
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Old 19th Oct 2015, 11:41
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Originally Posted by Trossie View Post
Onto another topic:sadhatmo has obviously been fortunate to have lived in decent areas and dealt with decent people. That is not difficult as most of that country is decent. (In almost all aspects of background, sadhatmo and I seem very similar in this...) BUT, the jovial 'anti-English' banter can, and does, easily slide into blatant xenophobia in some of the 'lesser' sections of the population. This could even be considered as 'institutional' when the police wouldn't respond to "English go home" graffiti and "English go home" stickers on the doors of 'English' run businesses. If there were "[Anyone] go home" graffiti or similar stickers in England there would be howls of 'xenophobia' and 'racism' followed very rapidly by police action. It is this 'lower' section of the Scottish population that the Scots need to get on top of, as well as the likes of that 'snotty-nosed brat' who was put in his place by George Galloway that I mentioned earlier.

(Would it be 'xenophobic' if I said how disappointed I am that the Scots were unable to knock those Aussies out and get them to 'go home' early?!!!)

(If Tom Joad is still around, go up the High Street to Howies, look under the counter near the very left, near the sliced black pudding, and you will find that fruit pudding. 5/kg. Delicious! Got some a week ago...)
Opps somebody has a bee in their bonnet! I do indeed, and I am fortunate to live in "decent area". Through hard work, enterprise and a bit of good fortune
I find myself in a very comfortable position Trossie. As an migrant (1970) I have first hand experience of the xenophobic attitude prevalent in many areas of England, in public and in institutions. I could talk about the physical harm and taunts I have endured, the most foul of chants towards myself and my family, the disdain in the eyes of interviewers when I walk through the door to interview for a position. But hey, you would already know all about that, you appear to have a good knowledge of what happens elsewhere so I imagine you are similarly knowledgeable about what happens here. London can be a most glorious city to work, live and raise a family, It can also be one of the most unwelcoming places in the world. My children have been met with open hostility and threats from so called professional people who should know better - xenophobic, I call it what it is, you do what you want to.
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Old 19th Oct 2015, 11:48
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NHS Safety

I spoke about the challenges being faced by NHS England and the failure of the government to listen to the concerns of specialists. London in particular is facing unimaginable pressure on resources with restrictions on employment of overseas specialist hampering recruitment to senior medical staffs positions. So much for taking the NHS forward.

NHS and care sector: Safety a 'big concern' in England - BBC News
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Old 19th Oct 2015, 11:52
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Er, some very novel thoughts on here. For instance, the idea that people know anything much about Geography.
Going by the usual form on here, lack of knowledge of what you're posting about seems pretty standard.
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Old 19th Oct 2015, 14:02
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Seems to be common across the border:

Call for action on Scottish NHS 'failings' - BBC News
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Old 19th Oct 2015, 14:42
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It is engineer and there need's to be a wake up call.
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Old 19th Oct 2015, 16:13
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Did you go to hospital in Scotland on your holiday?
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Old 19th Oct 2015, 16:18
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I occasionally pick up some work for NHS Scotland, not often, but you get to hear of the latest initiative trickling down from on high.
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Old 19th Oct 2015, 17:19
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I'm surprised they outsource it, are they short of resource?
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Old 19th Oct 2015, 17:29
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Eh, outsource what?
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Old 19th Oct 2015, 18:09
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You said you do some work for NHS Scotland. If you are not employed by them, then you are presumably a sub-contractor or consultant?
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Old 19th Oct 2015, 19:18
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A consultant! I wish, talk about licence to print money. I work directly for NHS England. Cooperation between us and Scotland has more to do with specialisations and clinical requirement. For example we rely from time to time on the Scottish Blood Transfusion service and specialist oncology services from the Beatson in Glasgow amongst others. Agreement and supply of services works both ways, good level of cooperation as you would expect at the clinical level.
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Old 19th Oct 2015, 19:57
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I suppose that's one of the benefits of the U.K. as a single nation
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Old 19th Oct 2015, 20:29
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I guess if you are so politically disposed you could. Of course a similar level of cooperation exists across the EU. Our NHS England Future plans still reflect the continued level of cooperation with Scotland in the event of a future Yes vote. The bottom line, and placing all politics aside, practitioners at the coal face are more focused on the task than the politics.
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Old 19th Oct 2015, 20:48
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... practitioners at the coal face are more focused on the task than the politics.
As it should always be... BUT, 'who pays' is vital to keeping it all going -- and THAT is politics.
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Old 19th Oct 2015, 21:03
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And NOTHING is immutable IN politics.
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Old 19th Oct 2015, 21:11
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And I expect that it's not really NHS England's choice what happens after independence, they'll have to toe the line just like every other government department
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Old 19th Oct 2015, 23:57
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What line - not sure what you mean there. Why would opportunities for mutual cooperation be affected, I rather suspect they would continue as with other EU countries, no different? Anyway all hypothetical until the outcome of the next referendum.
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