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Old 13th Sep 2015, 07:31
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SNP manifesto to reveal possible second referendum timetable - BBC News

They are just like that horrible EU, aren't they? Don't accept No as an answer, but keep asking until the people give up and give the 'correct'* answer! Gits!

*Not the true answer, but the one that a political elite want.
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Old 14th Sep 2015, 11:12
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Could this be a response to Corbyn getting elected? The SNP need to differentiate from Labour, they used to do that by being further to the left but now that isnt true they need a new distraction and the elections are just around the corner.
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Old 14th Sep 2015, 11:28
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The Scottish Labour people were always waaay Left of the Soft Southern poofters, even before the resurgam of the Blairite Hampstead Heath variety.

Corbyn is no threat to the SNP. Scots Labour voters detested the Blairite thing, but those who defected mostly did so in favour of really hard left splinter groups.

SNPs strategy now is to be as obnoxious as they can and to try to win the English, not the Scots, over to the idea of the UK jettisoning the subsidy junkies North of the border.
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Old 14th Sep 2015, 12:20
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in that case the way to beat them is give them full fiscal autonomy and then see what happens
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Old 14th Sep 2015, 12:55
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The Pygmy Parliament already has a huge amount of fiscal autonomy. They just don't use it.

Right from the start, they had the right to impose a Jockistani Income Tax of 3%. They chose not to exercise that right.

Then that was upped to 10% and subsequently the limit was eliminated entirely. They could set any level of income tax they want to.

That unlimited tax raising power is not limited to personal taxation. They could set any level of business tax through the business rate system that they wanted. They could, only slightly indirectly, tax the bejasus out of the oil industry and the whisky industry and the tourist industry in this way if they wanted to.

They don't do any of that because they don't need to. It's so much easier to just sit back and let the Barnet billions flood in from the munificent Sassen. Easy money, and it's all free!
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Old 14th Sep 2015, 15:42
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They don't do any of that because they don't need to. It's so much easier to just sit back and let the Barnet billions flood in from the munificent Sassen. Easy money, and it's all free!
Completely agree, so now its time to call the SNPs bluff and see what would happen if they were in charge and had to make tough decisions.
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Old 14th Sep 2015, 21:55
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Bl##dy h#ll are they still here? Just grant them independence and let's get on with it without having to listen to the daft wee woman.
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Old 13th Oct 2015, 17:57
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Old 15th Oct 2015, 21:58
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Weasel words.

SNP conference 2015: Sturgeon says big election win may not lead to referendum - BBC News
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Old 16th Oct 2015, 00:29
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G-CPTN - got to read between the lines there, she's clear that the mandate for a 2nd referendum rest with the voter - if they determine by other means then it's gonna happen. I think she is deliberately appealing to the No voters who have since turned or are thinking about turning to vote for the SNP- she's sending a clear signal regarding the SNP 2016 campaign focus is more than indie. One to watch me thinks.

Gazalet that statue of Wallace is truly awful, why on earth they placed it at the Wallace Monument is beyond me. Far better examples are found elsewhere, here's my favourite from Aberdeen.

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Old 16th Oct 2015, 07:21
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That's a much more impressive statue of Wallace. It conveys the impression of the physically imposing man he was reputed to be unlike the midget Gibson. How in the name of all that's holy could anyone have thought that putting a statue which resembles a "Trog" figurine at the Wallace Monument was a good and worthy idea?

Meanwhile, back to modern day Scotland:

Centralising, illiberal, catastrophic: the SNP?s one-party state The Spectator

What Scottish professors have to fear from Nicola Sturgeon?s power grab The Spectator

Nicola Mugabe marches on.
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Old 16th Oct 2015, 07:52
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Scotland is once again heading to exit the UK. It will happen so we had better all start getting used to it.
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Old 16th Oct 2015, 07:55
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..or wake up and rescue it.
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Old 16th Oct 2015, 08:23
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... just look at who came second in many of the Scottish seats in the recent General Election (and in some cases a very, very close second). With the general economic improvements in the UK as a whole, a lot of Scottish voters will be taking note. The SNP had better watch out! (And it is not Labour that they need to look out for!)

Independence will then be kicked so solidly into the long grass that it will not be the 'question of a generation' but something that several future generations will not be bothered about.
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Old 16th Oct 2015, 08:29
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The very canny Scots said NO because they knew it could not be afforded when the price of oil was way more per barrel than it is today. Even crafty Nic and the wiley Alex aren't daft enough to try to resell that plan 👍
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Old 16th Oct 2015, 11:38
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that Sturgeon women is a bit of a laff innit, though like her compatriot Mr Brown, unelected
Are you serious?
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Old 16th Oct 2015, 13:33
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She is an elected MSP in Glasgow with a sky-high approval rating.
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Old 16th Oct 2015, 14:50
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I don't think you have any idea of the political situation in Scotland.
Under her leadership Scotland is going to be independent within 5 years.
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Old 16th Oct 2015, 15:31
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Originally Posted by renfrew View Post
I don't think you have any idea of the political situation in Scotland.
Under her leadership Scotland is going to be independent within 5 years.
And broke within months, she and Alex were 'seen through' not that long back and they will be seen through should the daffy's ever try again
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Old 16th Oct 2015, 16:41
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Originally Posted by renfrew View Post
Under her leadership Scotland is going to be independent within 5 years.
The trouble is that rather a lot of you were quite vehement that Scotland would vote for independence last year. It didn't happen.

I suspect that many of us South of the border are actually rather more objective than the die-hard nationalists.
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