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Old 14th Dec 2014, 16:01
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What evidence do you have for a referendum in 2017?
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Old 14th Dec 2014, 16:06
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BHR

Im pretty certain you already know the answer to that. Sweet FA.

UDI, now that would be entertaining to see, not to the poor sods left in Scotland but watching the SNP try and bluff their way through the shitstorm afterwards.
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Old 14th Dec 2014, 16:07
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El Grifo, that is a tricky $64K dollar question, there is no doubt that the SNP appear to be gaining support, despite any reasonable persons understanding.
Should the forecasts in the newspapers be correct and there is a significant SNP surge of support followed by a number of SNP Members of Parliament there will be a shift in the influences in Westminster.
This, should a second successful referendum be the result, be of benefit to the UK, but almost certainly not to benefit to Scotland.
On the other hand the polls may be as wildly inaccurate as they were prior to 18 Sept, in which case Labour may well enjoy a resurgence, this would not be such a satisfactory outcome for the UK.
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Old 14th Dec 2014, 18:33
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Either way up, the developing situation North of England, appears to be increasingly significant in the big picture.

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Old 14th Dec 2014, 19:54
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... the polls may be as wildly inaccurate as they were prior to 18 Sept, in which case Labour may well enjoy a resurgence
... or with Labour and the SNP squabbling away it could very well let the Tories and UKIP slip in between their split votes and gain a few seats there! Nothing is impossible and with the inaccuracies of the polls, anything could happen! That would rattle a few cages!

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Old 14th Dec 2014, 22:33
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Not seen this before. Interesting.

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Old 14th Dec 2014, 23:39
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BNP and SNP looking similar again, with close numbers of nutters voting for each.

B or S it doesn't matter much, they both need someone to dictate to, deceive and control.

It would be interesting to see a recent breakdown.
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Old 15th Dec 2014, 07:35
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I am sick and tired of those outside Scotland insulting my my country, my people and the politics of my fellow Scots.
GCE, The only insulting that I've seen over pages and pages and pages here has been of the English and a very particular group of "...the politics of [your] fellow Scots." The country and the people have not been insulted. The group of politicians that have been insulted have been that same group that would have been (and have been) insulted anywhere in the world from England to Germany to you name it, viz the national socialists.

I do not take too seriously the claims of the sudden surge in SNP membership as I do not believe that this is genuine membership but rather a 'sign them up to make the figures look good' campaign that will not have any long term sustainability and as such is rather irrelevant. Also, those mass sign-ups will be 'low quality' members that will not be able to sustain the party (much like the problems that UKIP is running into with their surge in membership membership). Now what do I use as evidence for my thoughts on this? How about the SNPs own conference decisions: BBC News - SNP to allow non-members to stand. (And note carefully that they are not just talking of those who don't meet the 12-month-membership rule, they are talking about those who are not members at all.) Why would the SNP be prepared to contemplate non-members standing as candidates if they have such a large pool of members to draw on?

Remove your blinkers for a moment, GCE. Bashing the national socialists and bashing the concept of 'Scottish independence' is NOT 'insulting' Scotland or the people of Scotland. Quite the contrary, it is looking out for the best for Scotland which can only be achieved with the idea of 'independence' being consigned to history as something that wasn't going to happen, as was so clearly shown by the sovereign will of the Scottish people on 18th September, and also can only be achieved with the national socialists losing their strangle hold on the best interests of the people of Scotland being advanced.

I, like many, many other posters here wish Scotland and its people all the best. That means forgetting that 'independence' folly and ridding the place of national socialists.

(Sadly the EU is restricting the fish that you are allowed from your own waters. I am sure that you could find some Spanish fishermen who could provide you with some, then you could thank them!)
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Old 15th Dec 2014, 09:45
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One's place of birth is a pisspoor indication of nationality, race or tribe.

A couple of centuries ago, long before the era of mass travel, people didn't live 'abroad' very much, other than people involved in the colonies. One's birthplace pretty much defined one's nationality and tribe and race, and in some places, even one's religion.

Scots abroad tend to be quite nationalistic, though not necessarily of the separatist variety of 'nationalism'.

I should declare a personal interest here. I'm Scots, but my ancestry is Scandihooligan and American with a wee bit of Englishness somewhere in the mix.

Never forget that we Scots are all of immigrant descent. We didn't evolve from heather, lichen or ptarmigan. All Jock Tamson's bairns are the decendants of illegal immigrants.
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Old 15th Dec 2014, 09:55
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This saga has been running for quite some time:

ScottishHistory.com

Time to build rebuild Hadrian's wall and have done with it.

P.S. The time scale referred to in the article is, to a Celt, like it just happened yesterday!
 
Old 15th Dec 2014, 16:49
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BBC News - 'No Trident renewal' key to any post-election SNP deal
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Old 15th Dec 2014, 17:55
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She joined with Plaid Cymru leader Leanne Wood and leader of the Green Party in England and Wales, Natalie Bennett, to state that all three parties will unite whenever possible to "battle the Westminster parties' obsession with austerity".
On a different planet.
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Old 15th Dec 2014, 17:57
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Nicola Sturgeon and David Cameron agree to lower voting age to 16 by Scottish election in 2016. Better start indoctrination in schools now to ensure the wee wains follow the party line.
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Old 15th Dec 2014, 20:54
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Nicola Sturgeon and David Cameron agree to lower voting age to 16 by Scottish election in 2016.
What happens if Cameron loses the GE?
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Old 16th Dec 2014, 02:00
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What happens if Cameron loses the GE???????????????????????????????
How could he possibly be winning the next GE???? Do you really believe he will win over the votes he lacked in order to have a majority in the last one???? Especially after such a poor performance during this mandate!!!
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Old 16th Dec 2014, 06:02
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Yes. You have to. The alternatives are too awful to contemplate.
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Old 16th Dec 2014, 08:04
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Brent crude currently at $59.97. Whatever happened to $110? Any sensible comment from the perthling would be interesting.
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Old 16th Dec 2014, 08:43
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What, not here yet? Late on parade? Or perhaps he's gone AWOL.
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Old 16th Dec 2014, 09:40
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The alternatives are too awful to contemplate.
Whilst we sit back and watch the whole scale destruction of the Scottish economy, business and social fabric in Scotland under Sturgeon, there is dreadful possibility that this may spill over into the UK, with the SNP smugly and spitefully declaring that they will hold the balance of power on their terms.
There is a possibility that we haven't yet considered, I put forward that England declares UDI and we leave the festering celts to submerge under their own socialism, at the moment Scotland seems to be having it all on their terms, it would have been so much better if Cameron hadn't encouraged them to vote no to independence.
Yesterday there was a thought that Brent crude would go down as far as $40 a barrel.
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Old 16th Dec 2014, 13:43
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What happens if Cameron loses the GE???????????????????????????????
How could he possibly be winning the next GE???? Do you really believe he will win over the votes he lacked in order to have a majority in the last one???? Especially after such a poor performance during this mandate!!!
And just who else has the credibility to win then next GE? Most definitely not those two empty 'Eds, they'll make a complete Balls-up of the next GE! Expect a strong Tory/UKIP showing (that'll be UKIP taking votes from Labour and not the Tories). And that'll be even more so south of the Border...
SNP? Nah, they'll take a few seats in Glasgow and Dundee and that's about it.
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