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Old 13th Dec 2014, 13:47
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In what way have I not accepted it?
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 13:48
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Perthy

Looking forward to your foreseen regular (even biennial), independence referenda, in the interests of democracy, apart from the existing Scottish electorate, would you also extend the franchise to those born in Scotland, but residing outwith?
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 13:50
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No, seafire, I would not.
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 13:53
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Referendum every two years? Absolutely.

Couple of rules...

Scotland must foot the entire bill
You need a positive result of 50% of registered electors +1
Non Scots resident in Scotland can't vote
Leader of SNP must resign from politics every time you lose
If you win, you leave the union that day.

Agreed?
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 13:56
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Why should residents of Scotland not be able to vote?
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 13:59
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Originally Posted by perthsaint View Post
In what way have I not accepted it?
By ignoring the settled will of the Scottish people who decided overwhelmingly (only c.33% of the voting population voted for Scotland to be an independent country) that they did not want independence and constantly saying that there should be another referendum (because you don't like the result of the last one less than 3 months ago), and then another, and another, until you get your own way (if ever).

Accept that the vote was NO and that the very person that called for the referendum said that this was a once in a generation/lifetime opportunity. He also agreed, as per the Edinburgh Agreement, to respect the result of the referendum.

The result was NO, so why can't you also just let it lie for at least a generation rather than be seeking another vote in just 2 years? That is how you have not accepted the democratic decision of the Scottish people.
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 14:00
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No, seafire, I would not.
Of course not, perthy has no interest in - i.e. is afraid of - democracy that might not give the result he wants. This is volks democracy remember.

If you let all Scots vote, they'd get only 27% support, as on the 18th Sept.

Perthy, get over it and do something positive. There are not enough idiots in Scotland to help your lost cause.
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 14:02
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I don't fear democracy, MFC. You do.

If the will of the Scottish people is settled as you claim then let it be tested.
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 14:03
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Amputation of Scotland from the UK is for life, not just for Christmas.

There is exactly zero chance that the Fat Controller or his Deputy or any of the Gauleiters would ever allow another Indyref ever again if there had been a Yes vote. Not even in a generation. Not even in another lifetime. Not even in ein tausend yahre.
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 14:04
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Dammit, he's reverted to standard Cybernat non-debating form. It was almost good for a few minutes.
Ah well, Mrs Seafire says I'll be wasting less time by accompanying her to Braehead, and doing battle with the hordes. I'll leave Perthy at his solitary island outpost, still fighting WW2.
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 14:06
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Why should residents of Scotland not be able to vote?
Because they are not Scottish. Non resident Scots can't vote, and you don't bitch about that

Are you scared of democracy Perthsaint? Or do you realise how many fantasist separatists are actually non Scots?

You really aren't very good at this, are you?
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 14:07
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Good luck, seafire, I've been told I have an appointment with Princes Street tomorrow.
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 14:12
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Mr Chips,

Are you suggesting the ~800,000 rUKers living in Scotland should not be able to vote?

You do realise that if that had been the case last time then Yes would have won, don't you? Surely that isn't what a convinced unionist like yourself wants?
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 14:19
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Perthsaint, I'll type slowly cos I know y'all don't read very well

There is no place called rUK, its the United Kingdom, still is because you tested the will of Scotland and they said no.

Not all non jocks voted no, unless TomJoad and Granite (both being non Scottish) lied about their voting intentions

You won't let non resident Scottish vote - what are you so scared of?

Once again - where the hell did you get the idea I am a unionist? I'm also more Scottish than the likes of Tomjoad et al

I listed more than just one condition, and you have ignored the others so I assume you agree to those?

Once again, you really aren't very good at this are you?
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 14:25
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Originally Posted by perthsaint View Post
I don't fear democracy, MFC. You do.
Please show me where I said that you feared democracy Perthy (I think you will find that I said that you have not accepted the democratic decision of the Scottish people in the referendum), until then I would thank you for telling me what you think I do or do not fear

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If the will of the Scottish people is settled as you claim then let it be tested.
Just in case you hadn't noticed Perthy, IT JUST HAS BEEN, less than 3 months ago!!!
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 14:28
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Mr Chips,

There was plenty of analysis of how people voted after the referendum. As the Daily Heil didn't cover it it's probably not surprising you didn't see it.

Your other points were so laughable I didn't think they merited comment.

Scotlandís governance is not a matter for those who do not live here. Is that simple enough for you?
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 14:29
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You've never said that I fear democracy, MFC.
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 14:31
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Originally Posted by perthsaint View Post
Mr Chips,

Are you suggesting the ~800,000 rUKers living in Scotland should not be able to vote?

You do realise that if that had been the case last time then Yes would have won, don't you?
Evidence please?

I am sure that the Electoral Commission would love to know how you claim to have knowledge of how everyone voted in the referendum.
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 14:34
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I said Perthy feared democracy as he is too scared to let Scots outside of Scotland have a vote. He is scared as he knows - as the SNP does - that they are too smart to vote Yes.

He is also obviously scared to accept the result from 18 Sept.
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 14:34
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Oh Perthy - so now you need to analyse a vote? Votes are secret, you can't analyse them.... Only one analysis needed - the result

If you actually believe what people might tell pollsters then you are more deluded than you appear

Your other points were so laughable I didn't think they merited comment.
So yet again you are unable to answer a single point raised against you? A bi annual referendum is laughable. Denying democracy as you want to do is laughable. Everything you say is laughable, but poking you is more entertaining than this pile of ironing.

Heres a thought. Declare UDI. Not Scotland, just you. See all those people round you? Most of them don't want independence. Grow up.

Oh, and by the way, as I have asked you twice now, what the hell makes you think I am a Unionist?
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