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Old 13th Dec 2014, 12:03
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Perthy, in the event that your proposed 2 year referendum took place and in one particular year there was a yes vote as you suggest, will you carry on having 2 year referendums to see if people wish to rejoin the union, or do you propose that democracy ends when you have your own way?
As I said, the Scots aren't that stupid, only some of you.


Edited to express my revulsion at the ghastly and frightening image just posted, is it me or does she look rather "butch" dressed like that.
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 12:05
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Perthy

Do you also believe we should not have regular General/European/local elections? These too take up our time and money yet democracy demands them.
That's a valid point. However, independence referenda every couple of years or so would seriously undermine confidence in our economy, much more than General Elections. What's YOUR viewpoint on that?
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 12:08
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Originally Posted by perthsaint View Post
MFC,

Do you also believe we should not have regular General/European/local elections? These too take up our time and money yet democracy demands them.
The independence referendum was called by Alex Salmond as "a once in a generation, perhaps even a once in a lifetime, opportunity for Scotland" that, if the vote would have been YES, would have changed Scotland, and the UK, quite probably for ever. IF you had got your way and Scotland had become independent would YOU still want there to be a referendum every second September, in case the settled will of the Scottish people changed and they wanted back into the UK again? [Again not expecting a direct answer from Perthy on this!]

On the other hand, General, European or local elections have a non-permanent effect, people get the chance to change things if they don't like what they currently have. These sorts of elections don't occur on a regular basis until one childish party get elected and then say "right, that's it, we're in power now, we finally got what we wanted, no more elections!"

The time and money taken up by these sorts of elections is in no way comparable to that in the independence referendum. I'll ask again, how much real work has been done in Holyrood over the last year or 2 compared to normal, non-referndum campaigning years?

So in direct answer to your question (maybe you should try doing that sometimes!) no, I do not believe that we should not have regular General/European/local elections.


So why can't you accept the democratic decision by the people of Scotland Perthy?
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 12:09
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Why would it seriously undermine confidence in our economy? What's your evidence for this claim?
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 12:15
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I would suggest democracy would be best served by having a regular referendum on predetermined dates. Perhaps every second September.
Would Die Partei permit further referenda every second September after a Yes result?

I thought not.

There's something about Nationalism-Socialism which only tolerates democracy until they get the power they want. After which, nicht mehr.
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 12:19
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As a democrat I would be quite happy for the people of Scotland to have a regular vote on whether to unify with the rUK. As no country has ever voted to rejoin the country from which it has become independent I am pretty certain that I know how the votes will go.
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 12:24
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perthy you can't be serious

a referendum every two years? why would that affect the economy?

you cannot be a troll, you are a unionist playing the fool separatist to destroy their credibility. you are overdoing it though, it is not possible for anyone to actually believe what you are typing, whilst simultaneously possessing the ability to operate a keyboard. The applicable IQs are not consitent.
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 12:27
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Originally Posted by perthsaint View Post
I am pretty certain that I know how the votes will go.
About as certain as you were on the 18th of Sep 2014.......how did that work out for you
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 12:27
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Just ask Standard Life, etc and etc. So do you think "neverendums" would have no effect on confidence? Can you see any downsides? Also, would we continue to have your envisaged regular independence referenda after a Yes vote? It would be the voice of democracy, after all.
(That's of course assuming Westminster would anyway permit us to re-join the UK.)
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 12:29
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I've already answered that, seafire, look above.

Democracy is good. Embrace it.
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 12:32
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As no country has ever voted to rejoin the country from which it has become independent I am pretty certain that I know how the votes will go.
Didn't some fantasist separatist previously claim that no country had ever voted against independence?

Perthsaint, this whole thread may well be your only source of amusement in an otherwise humdrum life, but you need to be told that you aren't funny, you aren't a very good troll and everyone here is just laughing at you.

Still, your wife/girlfriend/boyfriend/life partner/cat is probably relieved of the break from you
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 12:33
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Absolutely, seafire. If the Scotnats ever succeeded in getting independence, by the time the starving populace chucked them out it would be foolish for us to have them back.
I'm very strongly in favour of the Union, to the extent that I will reluctantly accept the need for us to keep subsidising Scotland through Barnet. But once their economy was destroyed by the SNP, it would be wrong for us to bail them out.
Cheaper to build a wall.
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 12:33
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Originally Posted by perthsaint View Post
Democracy is good. Embrace it.
So why can't you accept the democratic decision by the people of Scotland Perthy?
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 12:34
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Perthy

As no country has ever voted to rejoin the country from which it has become independent
But conversely, only one country (guess which one) has ever democratically rejected the possibility of independence! So Perthy, if it's fair one way, why should the reverse not apply?

(Sssh, quiet everyone, I've actually got Perthsaint debating an issue!)
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 12:36
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Norwegian Blue

Fellow Balconists - Surely it is now time to save your ammunition for the next Nationalist Moron that appears? PS is a dead parrot. His brain is no more. He is an expired troll.
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 12:37
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It won't last seafire, Cybernat HQ will soon rein him in
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 12:37
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Talk about feeding trolls .
Perthy seems to be suffering from indigestion, and Pinky has very quiet - probably in hospital for a stomach bypass.

I'm out for another month. Byee!
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 12:37
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Perthy, do you intend that the UK would have any voice in your peculiar proposals?
At the moment the English are directly supporting the Scottish economy to the tune of around four billion per annum, this money could be far better used in England to provide services for the English children, the introduction of fox hunting classes in primary schools, punting lessons, morris dancing classes for example.


Some of us find the current contributions by the English taxpayers to Scottish welfare payments and foodbanks most unfair, particularly so when our generosity is rewarded with snarling ingratitude by your highly unpleasant politicians.
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 12:44
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So, we're agreed that there should be an independence referendum every two years. This is good news for democracy.
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 12:46
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Originally Posted by perthsaint View Post
This is good news for democracy.
So why can't you accept the democratic decision by the people of Scotland Perthy?
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