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Old 12th Dec 2014, 22:09
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The link kindly supplied by Perthy led me to this rather overlooked topic

Argyll News: First Minister?s revelatory refusal to pay Scotland?s share of upkeep of Head of State | For Argyll

The news that Scotlandís First Minister Nicola Sturgeon is refusing to pay the £2 million a year that is assigned to Scotland towards the costs of the Royal Family raises a series of questions and provides some forward indications. This is planned to be done through Scotlandís new devolved controls over the resources and revenues of the Crown Estate in Scotland Ė with Chancellor George Osborne having assigned a percentage of Crown Estate revenues to the upkeep of the Head of State.
The constitutional position

As a member of the United Kingdom Ė which Scotland is, by the will of a sound majority and with constitutional matters reserved to the government of the United Kingdom, there is no constitutional validation for such an action.
Like it or not, the Monarch is the constitutional Head of State and all member states of the Union must constitutionally observe and support that position. This is no more than immature gesture politics.
There is no constitutional provision to entitle an opt out; and, by right, Scotlandís annual revenue allocation ought now to be reduced by £2 million to recover the levy which the First Minister plans to withhold from the Scottish revenues of the Crown Estate.
Through its MPs and through the Scottish Office, Scotland is entitled to raise the issue at Westminster, arguing that the Union as a whole should adopt a different attitude to establishing its Head of State.
That approach would have grace and purpose, raising an important issue of contemporary political philosophy for the Union to debate together.
As it is, this is a shrill and juvenile unilateral action designed only to differentiate Scotland alone, to appease the burgeoning bravehearts.
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Old 12th Dec 2014, 23:01
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B-b-b-b-but... the famous and infallible White Paper boasted that after independence the Queen would still be the Queen of Scotland.
How can the SNP that is so loyal to Her Majesty now refuse to pay their share?
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Old 12th Dec 2014, 23:27
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Always amusing to see the balcony-dwellers and local websites believe the entirely made up drivel that appears in the Daily Heil.

Keep it up chaps and chapesses.
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Old 12th Dec 2014, 23:33
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Perthsaint, I know you separatists are generally st with figures, but how many votes did that "rancid English Nationalist party" poll in Scotland?

I assume as they are, in your words, English I assume the answer will be zero.

An approximate figure will be fine....
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Old 12th Dec 2014, 23:39
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Originally Posted by perthsaint View Post
Always amusing to see the balcony-dwellers and local websites believe the entirely made up drivel that appears in the Daily Heil.

Hi Perthy,


The White Paper.......





how many dull saps fell for that crock of sh1te.......
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Old 12th Dec 2014, 23:41
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To which election(s) are you referring, Mr Chips?
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Old 12th Dec 2014, 23:47
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how many dull saps fell for that crock of sh1te?
Since you ask, about 45% of those who voted, wasn't it?

Luckily for them, in view of what has come to light since, and what has happened since, the other 55% did NOT fall for the crock of sh1te, and thus saved the 45% from themselves.
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Old 12th Dec 2014, 23:52
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To which election(s) are you referring, Mr Chips?
What? Surely no elections, because as a
rancid English party
surely they get no votes ever....

Lets go with the recent Euro elections...

Like I said, approximate figure will be fine.....
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Old 12th Dec 2014, 23:56
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They polled a far lower percentage of votes in Scotland than they did in the rUK.

Hope that helps.
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 00:06
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Wow Perthsaint, this must be killing you!

So the party you described as a
rancid English party
is supported by Scottish voters. Well well well. Not just an English party at all then.

Now, back to the oil price debacle..... Do you dare post on that subject?
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 00:09
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The Lib Dems and Conservatives are undeniably English parties. They undeniably receive votes from Scots.

Do you even know the point you're failing to make?
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 00:15
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Originally Posted by perthsaint View Post
The Lib Dems and Conservatives and Labour are undeniably UK parties. They undeniably receive votes from Scots.

Do you even know the point you're failing to make?

Just for accuracy Perthy
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 00:18
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Aaaand now you are just talking rubbish. There is this thing called the United Kingdom, made up of a couple of countries and a principality, government based in Westminster. Any party that has representatives across the UK is clearly a UK party, not an English party.

You really, REALLY, need to do something about those separatist blinkers, and also remember that Scotland is part of that United Kingdom because it is "the sovereign will of the people"*

Oh, and due to that sovereign will, as voted for by the people of Scotland, it is not "rUK", it is the UK.

Now then, about that oil price thingy......


*Lovely phrase, coined by a certain SNP chappie....
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 00:27
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I've changed my mind, Perthy is retarded. Not even trolls are that stupid.
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 00:29
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Actually, the UK is a couple of countries, a principality and a province. I am surprised that a convinced unionist like yourself doesn't know that

Why don't you do some research into the history and organisation of the various parties? It may stop you making silly statements. That's not a guarantee, of course.

Seldom,

Others on this thread have asked you to stop editing their posts. You still persist in doing so. Please stop now.
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 00:35
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Originally Posted by perthsaint View Post
Actually, the UK is a couple of countries, a principality and a province. I am surprised that a convinced unionist like yourself doesn't know that

Why don't you do some research into the history and organisation of the various parties? It may stop you making silly statements. That's not a guarantee, of course.

Seldom,

Others on this thread have asked you to stop editing their posts. You still persist in doing so. Please stop now.

Many would say you started it Perthy so a massive amount of Pot and Kettle going on there chap
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 00:43
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David Cameron. Tory. Prime Minister of the UK. makes him "in charge" of Scotland. English party, UK party, call it whatever you like, but you are still part of the UK, because that is what Scotland wanted.

As for research and giving a precise definition - to most it would be clear that I wasn't even attempting to give a precise definition, but it gave you yet another chance to avoid the oil question.

I am surprised that a convinced unionist like yourself
Me? A convinced unionist? Where the hell did you get that idea from?

Now....that oil price question you keep ducking....
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 07:45
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... rancid English nationalist party...
I think if Perthy went back a few post and found the facts that I posted on support gained by the various parties throughout the UK nation-wide in the polling booths in 2014, he would see very clearly that there are only two genuinely UK-wide parties: UKIP and the Greens. To describe one of these as a "rancid English nationalist party" shows a complete lack of knowledge or a deliberately blinkered view. In fact, my figures showed that the the only two parties that could genuinely be described as 'little Englander' parties are very small and almost unknown to most. By contrast, the only parties elsewhere that could be included in the same fold as those very small 'little Englanders' in their parochial support are the 'little Welsh' of Plaid Cymru and the 'little Sotlanders' of the SNP. Now if ever there was a genuinely "rancid ... nationalist party", it would be the SNP!! (I think that very recently here someone has already use the terms 'pots', kettles' and 'black'!!)

As for
a couple of countries, a principality and a province
... yes, one of the most successful political unions in history. And on the 18th of September the very clear vote was to maintain it. Now live with that!
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 08:52
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Yes it is a great credit to England that it doesn't have any rancid nationalist parties with any notable support. Scotland is however badly afflicted, but scots can continue to resolve the situation via the majority settled will as on the 18th. Scots are equals, they are equally capable of rejecting the politics of greivance and grudge.

I would recommend that in future we recognise the will of all Scots when referring to the result. With over 800,000 scots borne expats who did NOT vote Yes on 18th Sept, it is more accurate to say that only 27% of Scots voted for the Yes based tissue of lies. It is beyond doubt the vast majority would vote No, otherwise Alex would have given them the vote (as Egypt managed with its expats with no problem).

Dull saps.
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 10:18
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This man takes unprincipled to an absolute all time low

BBC News - Alex Salmond: SNP could work with Sinn Fein or DUP

Power crazy Cnut
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