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Old 8th Dec 2014, 23:23
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Has anyone ever disputed that, Seldomy?
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Old 8th Dec 2014, 23:25
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Has anyone ever disputed that, Seldomy?
Why would they Perthy, it's why you are still part of the UK
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Old 8th Dec 2014, 23:30
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Hence my question.
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Old 8th Dec 2014, 23:32
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Now you are getting it Perthy, well done chap
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Old 8th Dec 2014, 23:36
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Some of us have always got it, Seldomy.

Some of you balcony-dwellers have a problem with the simple fact that a majority of Scots did not vote to stay within the Union. Pointing this out seems to make some of you angry and defensive.
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Old 8th Dec 2014, 23:41
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Originally Posted by perthsaint View Post
Some of us have always got it, Seldomy.

Some of you balcony-dwellers have a problem with the simple fact that a majority of Scots did not vote to stay within the Union. Pointing this out seems to make some of you angry and defensive.
Some of us have always got it as well Perthy.

And pointing out that a majority of Scots did not vote to leave the Union has left some of you feeling very angry and defensive
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Old 8th Dec 2014, 23:49
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Really, Seldom? I don't think an objective reader would see it that way at all. No-one on this thread has ever claimed that a majority of Scots voted to leave the Union. To do so would fly in the face of the facts.
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Old 8th Dec 2014, 23:52
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Absolutely spot on Mr Perth
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Old 8th Dec 2014, 23:57
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Indeed, Seldomy. So why make your entirely fictional claim about some of us feeling very angry and defensive?
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Old 8th Dec 2014, 23:59
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Originally Posted by perthsaint View Post
Indeed, Seldomy. So why make your entirely fictional claim about some of us feeling very angry and defensive?
Ah Perthy the irony
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Gerry Hassan: Indyref - 12 hard truths - The Scotsman



Yet at the same time in parts of the independence movement there are unrealistic expectations of political change, of belief that the Union is finished, and that Scotland can embark on its destiny in the next couple of years.
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There is a propensity to believe that Yes speaks for Scotland, missing that No won. It is a common trait of bad politics to pose the world as you want to see it, rather than it is, and then build your perspective from this.

Making the mistake that Yes speaks for Scotland misunderstands politics on numerous levels: the nature of democratic legitimacy, the contours of the No victory, and any notion of future political and constitutional change. Pro-independence opinion has to grasp that it does not speak for majority Scotland; it must reach out, listen and empathise, and not engage in the politics of smugness and self-righteousness.
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Oh Seldomy, back to deflecting and denying I see. Nothing ever changes with you, does it?
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Old 9th Dec 2014, 00:05
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Post #9802 Perthy, oh the irony
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Old 9th Dec 2014, 00:07
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Thanks for proving my point.
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Old 9th Dec 2014, 00:10
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Take your time Perthy, you'll spot it eventually
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Old 9th Dec 2014, 00:13
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Why are you so defensive about your defensiveness?
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Old 9th Dec 2014, 02:46
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Perthy

Was I once married to you?
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Old 9th Dec 2014, 07:37
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FFS, fellas, stop feeding the troll.
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Old 9th Dec 2014, 07:40
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Sorry but he is persistent.
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Old 9th Dec 2014, 09:14
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Perthy, It is totally undeniable that the vote was NO!!!

What is a problem is the Scot Gnatz going back on their VOW that they would respect the result and that it would be a decision for a generation. If you listen to the words on that newspaper review link that you posted you will see that the problem is with the 'yes' supporters that seem to think that they have won, even though the result was NO.

Don't worry, it'll sink in eventually. And all those separatist politicians will still be able to enjoy life in London in their homes provided by the Westminster system. And the Barnet Formula will still be there to prop up what would have become a third-world style independent country.

Let's trade VOWs: the unionist are working hard to stick to theirs, so the separatists should stick to theirs. More powers for Scotland; no more talk of independence.

From the balcony, while I enjoy a good west coast malt, I see a beautiful sight where the moon of separatist 'independence' has set in its watery grave in the west while the sun of unionist economic prosperity is rising over the mountains to the east. And in this paradise, the lunar night lasts forever!

Let's just say it again because it sounds so good: the result was NO!!
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