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Scottish independence Hamsterwheel.

Old 5th Oct 2014, 01:04
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Originally Posted by Seldomfitforpurpose View Post
All read fella but it would seem that the blatantly obvious lack of denial on your part implies, that for you, what is good for the goose is not always good for the gander
T'would appear mate that you are having difficulty comprehending that what you read.

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Old 5th Oct 2014, 01:07
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Originally Posted by JFZ90 View Post

Is that a photograph from a family album JF? You could make some money fella as a double.

Tom

Edited - a bit of grey there, had you younger.
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Old 5th Oct 2014, 01:08
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Originally Posted by TomJoad View Post
T'would appear mate that you are having difficulty comprehending that what you read.

Tom
Would seem that with no denial its guilty as charged fella
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Old 5th Oct 2014, 01:15
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Oh the irony.

You twist my words to imply I admire the Nazi party. Really now. It is you that is the Nationalist remember Tom, not me. Why do you wish to place your ideologies upon others?

I'm not even a particular unionist - I just tend to feel rather strongly that the case for breaking up Britain was frankly pathetic and of no benefit to either side. The settled will of Scottish people agree with that view.


PS Guilty indeed SFFP.
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Old 5th Oct 2014, 01:15
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JF wrote:Their policies maybe different, but their modus operandi is where there is not a fag packet between them.

They both use politics based on grievance and grudge to fuel support in those susceptible to such rhetoric.

It matters not whether the "baddies" are westminster, the english, little englanders, the EU or immigrants. The technique of saying 'they are the source of your problems, vote for us and we'll do something about "them" for you' is what these parties feed on.
Of course the irony will have escaped you here with respect to your own particular prejudicial disposition toward the SNP:ugh

The comedic value of PPRuNe never fails.

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Old 5th Oct 2014, 01:21
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Originally Posted by JFZ90 View Post

PS Guilty indeed SFFP.
Absolutely, no denial = admission of guilt and considering his 'previous' any sort of denial would have been a bit silly
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Old 5th Oct 2014, 01:23
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Originally Posted by JFZ90 View Post
Oh the irony.

You twist my words to imply I admire the Nazi party. Really now. It is you that is the Nationalist remember Tom, not me. Why do you wish to place your ideologies upon others?

I'm not even a particular unionist - I just tend to feel rather strongly that the case for breaking up Britain was frankly pathetic and of no benefit to either side. The settled will of Scottish people agree with that view.


PS Guilty indeed SFFP.
Away get over yourself man I'm not "twisting" anything. Your predilection is on record, black and white, it is writ large across your posts. No amount of redacting or altering other peoples words will change that JF. That it's now a source of embarrassment for you, well, what can I say JF. The road to perdition is of our own making and you have done a first class job. Enjoy fella

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Old 5th Oct 2014, 01:26
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Originally Posted by Seldomfitforpurpose View Post
Absolutely, no denial = admission of guilt and considering his 'previous' any sort of denial would have been a bit silly
I believe a similar style of summary justice was also employed by JF's favoured political ideology. Consistent.

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Old 5th Oct 2014, 01:43
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Tom, your digging is certainly persistent, but that aside carries little merit. The hole you are now in is cavernous.


Tom, digging


In summary:

JFZ: dislikes all Nationalism in general, be it the NASDP, SNP, BNP or UKIP.

Tom: likes the SNP. Seems to think there are no parallels with other Nationalist parties.


Which position is more embarrassing? Looks slam dunk obvious to me!



I note that in some of your rants you imply that UKIP is :
1) nasty and
2) has more support in England than in Scotland

Are you trying to imply therefore that there are more nasty people in England than in Scotland which is why they have more support? Spoken like a true card carrying SNPer Nationalist. Keep peddling the stories about who the baddies are
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Old 5th Oct 2014, 08:40
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He's back on rant mode, knew it wouldn't last.

Pull up a sandbag Trossie and tell us how we managed to avoid the end-of-days blood, death, fall of empire that follows Nationalism throughout history.

Tom
(This cut-and-paste thing is fun!!)

Rant??!! I'm having a laugh!! It is hilarious watching this 'separatist' (who then gives a very Unionist location!!) carry on ranting like a toddler who hasn't got his way!!

"Tom, you can't have your 'independence' because mummy and daddy (i.e. the 'sovereign will of the Scottish people) have very clearly said 'NO'!! Now be a good boy and stop stamping your feet and go to bed. You'll feel a lot better when you wake up and you've forgotten about all of this."

This really has become the 'goad the Joad' thread!

But let's get back to the topic:
'Scottish independence' is dead. That's what the sovereign will of the Scottish people have said.
This Hamsterwheel is being turned only by Unionists (and those who proudly give a Unionist location), probably to rub it in that the answer was 'NO'!!
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Old 5th Oct 2014, 10:19
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Would be a cold day in hell before I would ever consider voting UKiP engineer, they are as intellectually bankrupt as they are morally. Should the folk south of the wall throw away whatever sense they may have and vote UKiP in sufficient numbers then I suspect that this would be a source of friction between our two countries, whether it would strain our union is of course another matter. In all honesty engineer, I would prefer you lot consign this party to the history books and chalk your dalliance with their doctrine down to a bout of absent mindedness.
I see little difference in the modus operandi of the 2 parties and depsite your protest many mainstream commentators have drawn parallels between the two as well. Perhaps you are too focused on your own political aims to see it.
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Old 5th Oct 2014, 10:23
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It seems Brand Britain i.e. "made in Britain" is 300% more effective than the individual Made in England or Made in Scotland etc.

Overseas consumers 64% more willing to pay premium for ?brand Britain? | News | Marketing Week

You can see in 20 years that much will be made - by those too bitter to accept the will of the people - about voting irregularities and the vow, and how Scotland was robbed etc.

It might be wiser to take stock of some the real impacts, and the damage that has been averted by a clear No.

Scottish voters may have voted to stay in the United Kingdom but the strong showing by the independence campaign and the prospect of further powers being devolved to the Scottish Parliament has led to many Britons concerned over the future of “Brand Briton”, according to a report.

More than a fifth of Britons (21 per cent) think the British brand has been damaged by the referendum on independence and the subsequent debate on devolving more power to Scotland and the English regions, according to a survey of Britons conducted by ICM for Marketing Week.

The feeling that the allure of Britain as a USP has been tarnished is unsurprisingly more pronounced in England (22 per cent) than it is in Scotland, where 16 per cent agree ‘Brand Britain’ has been damaged.

The state of flux is causing some apprehension. More than a fifth (28 per cent) of those polled say this will create uncertainty for consumers, while almost a third (30 per cent) say retailers will be uncertain what the future holds. Again, apprehension levels are not as high in Scotland where just 15 per cent think uncertainty will be created among consumers and 11 per cent for retailers.

It appears the current environment could have the biggest impact on Scottish financial services brands. A fifth (22%) say on-going uncertainty about Scotland’s future will make them less likely to invest or save with a Scottish based bank brand. Just 5 per cent of Scottish respondents agree.
Interesting that those north of the border seem far less aware of the damage that has already been done.
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Old 5th Oct 2014, 11:57
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Somehow I doubt if 'British whisky' would command anywhere near the world wide sales that 'Scotch whisky' does.......
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Old 5th Oct 2014, 12:00
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If you read the article, whisky is the only exception to the 300% trend.

"Scotch" is a bit like "Hoover" in that respect though.
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Old 5th Oct 2014, 15:55
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Interesting article here- http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/74747f58-4...#axzz3FHZRDp3m


The disappointing export figures come amid relief among some in Scotland’s whisky industry at the pro-union victory in last week’s independence referendum.
Most industry executives willing to take a public stance on the issues had expressed concern about the uncertainty independence might have caused and the possible loss of diplomatic clout needed to ensure open international markets.
The SWA, which has “welcomed the stability” brought by the No vote to independence, said it would now seek greater government support to beat down trade barriers while also seeking to ensure that a promised devolution of powers to Scotland from the UK government would create a “supportive business environment”.
“The latest figures also act as a reminder that the success of Scotch whisky can’t be taken for granted,” Mr Frost said.
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Old 5th Oct 2014, 18:26
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promised devolution of powers to Scotland from the UK government would create a “supportive business environment”.
Probably not, I should imagine. The use and abuse of those powers by the SNP, if that devolution comes about, will create a need to demand more tax from businesses and the means to do that.

But since the practical politics are that any UK Government's ability to deliver devo max to Scotland is totally dependent on England having simultaneously exactly the same degree of self-government and a resolution of the West Lothian question, I think we all know where that's going.
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Old 5th Oct 2014, 19:34
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OM15 - from that whisky article:

The value of sales to Taiwan surged 39 per cent to £91m amid the island’s continuing premium malt boom.
I remember reading the protection of Scottish whisky sales in Taiwan, and the successful combat of counterfeit whisky by the foreign office working with the Taiwan government, was one of the key achievements of the UK embassy set up there.

I recall some dismissed the embassies as 'no big deal' during the neverendum.
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Old 5th Oct 2014, 20:03
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So much for respecting the democratic will of the people


BBC News - Scotland's deputy first minister says Scottish independence is unstoppable


BBC News - Call to rule out early Scottish independence referendum repeat


I love the Gollum comparison, very apt.............
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Old 5th Oct 2014, 20:21
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So much for respecting the democratic will of the people

BBC News - Scotland's deputy first minister says Scottish independence is unstoppable

BBC News - Call to rule out early Scottish independence referendum repeat

I love the Gollum comparison, very apt.............
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Originally Posted by Sturgeon
On 18 September 55% of voters backed remaining part of the UK, against 45% who favoured independence.

Ms Sturgeon claimed Better Together's "Project Fear tactics" played a role in determining the result by undermining people's confidence.
Oh look - someone elses fault! Who could have predicted! It was the baddies that stopped independence - nothing to do with the fact that MOST SCOTS value and want to stay part of Great Britain then!

...

It does put the rUK in a bit of a difficult position doesn't it? Continue to treat Scotland more than fairly, or decide to call it quits and implement G&T Scorchio Earth. If the SNP don't get despatched in 2016, not sure the rUK will have much choice but to define policies that protect the rUK from any future split with clearly defined per capita spending.
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Old 5th Oct 2014, 20:49
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"Ms Sturgeon claimed Better Together's "Project Fear tactics" played a role in determining the result by undermining people's confidence"

As opposed to the SNPs total and utter fantasy white paper, lies (legal advice on EU and start up costs to name two), bullying, belittling, shouting down of opposition views and complete lack of preparation (currency, EU and NATO membership) that caused 55% to be put off them and their dismal option to fail.

They could have won, they perhaps should have won but they completely fooked it up. She should be on the way out as well as Salmond.

If Slamon and co managed to get 45%of the population to vote Yes based on the above, imagine what a half decent plan and rationale would have achieved...........coupled as well to a major helping of humility and manners
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