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Old 4th Oct 2014, 20:30
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I completely agree with that, we all can picture the more obvious failings in our immigration policies, and certain tabloids do push this all the time.
I now enjoy the best dental care that I have ever had, on the NHS, and my dentist is a very pleasant lady from Romania, highly skilled and efficient. Living in an agricultural area (North Dorset) there are a number of seasonal Polish workers to be seen at certain times of the year, their presence solely because the local youth are too idle to get off their arses to do any work.
om, I've taught a large number of immigrant students, with numbers increasing over the past years. I can honestly say that amongst the Polish, Latvian and Indian students I have found the most hard working, ambitious and above all polite and respectful people. Their parents are to be congratulated. They are a joy to teach.

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Old 4th Oct 2014, 20:33
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Would be a cold day in hell before I would ever consider voting SNP, they are as intellectually bankrupt as they are morally. Should the folk north of the wall throw away whatever sense they may have and vote SNP in sufficient numbers again then this would be a source of friction between our two countries, and it would strain our union again as a matter of course.

In all honesty, I would prefer to consign this party to the history books and chalk our dalliance with their doctrine down to a bout of absent mindedness.
One or two minor changes, and you are bang on the money Tom.
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Old 4th Oct 2014, 23:31
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One or two minor changes, and you are bang on the money Tom.
I believe that another European political philosophy tried the same thing that you have just done there JF, they tried to change the written word as well, they burnt the books containing what they did not agree with. No surprise then that you would also attempt to change what others have written to suit your preferred dogma - it's in keeping with your track record on that particular philosophy. I stand by my words, I reject yours

TomJoad wrote: Would be a cold day in hell before I would ever consider voting UKiP engineer, they are as intellectually bankrupt as they are morally. Should the folk south of the wall throw away whatever sense they may have and vote UKiP in sufficient numbers then I suspect that this would be a source of friction between our two countries, whether it would strain our union is of course another matter. In all honesty engineer, I would prefer you lot consign this party to the history books and chalk your dalliance with their doctrine down to a bout of absent mindedness.
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Old 4th Oct 2014, 23:50
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I believe that another European political philosophy tried the same thing that you have just done there JF, they tried to change the written word as well, they burnt the books containing what they did not agree with. No surprise then that you would also attempt to change what others have written to suit your preferred dogma - it's in keeping with your track record on that particular philosophy. I stand by my words, I reject yours

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Did you ever do this in any of the threads in here fella........................
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Old 4th Oct 2014, 23:59
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Did you ever do this in any of the threads in here fella........................
Irony of ironies, no lesson from you seldom on that grubby form It is, shall we say, JF's other baggage concerning his associated predilection, that is celebrated in his unimaginative and rather nasty little post. Perhaps you elected to misread that.


TomJoad wrote: Would be a cold day in hell before I would ever consider voting UKiP engineer, they are as intellectually bankrupt as they are morally. Should the folk south of the wall throw away whatever sense they may have and vote UKiP in sufficient numbers then I suspect that this would be a source of friction between our two countries, whether it would strain our union is of course another matter. In all honesty engineer, I would prefer you lot consign this party to the history books and chalk your dalliance with their doctrine down to a bout of absent mindedness.
I stand by my words, I reject yours.

I do value however your unwavering support for the Union and Scotland, we do appreciate it - we are worth it

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Old 5th Oct 2014, 00:01
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Originally Posted by TomJoad View Post
Irony of ironies, no lesson from you seldom on that grubby form It is, shall we say, JF's other baggage concerning his associated predilection, that is celebrated in his unimaginative and rather nasty little post.

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Did you ever do it fella.............


I could surf back through this and other threads to see if you are telling porkies fella...........
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Old 5th Oct 2014, 00:07
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I refer you to post #7980 mate. As for your surfing, you fill yer boots fella, kinda shows you care

We are of course worth it

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Old 5th Oct 2014, 00:09
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400 pages and the Union still lives!!!!!!!!
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Old 5th Oct 2014, 00:12
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Originally Posted by TomJoad View Post
I refer you to post #7980 mate.


I already knew you had fella, as did anyone else who had had read these threads, faux indignation is always funny as [email protected]@k to watch
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Old 5th Oct 2014, 00:13
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He's back on rant mode, knew it wouldn't last.

Pull up a sandbag Trossie and tell us how we managed to avoid the end-of-days blood, death, fall of empire that follows Nationalism throughout history.

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Old 5th Oct 2014, 00:15
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Did you ever do this in any of the threads in here fella....
It is not quite the same as I jokingly only slightly changed his words to make the similarities between the SNP and UKIP glaringly obvious.

Tom used to twist words and pretend he wasn't. I think he thought he was so clever no one would notice.

Strange how my post was apparently "nasty", but his post - which he posted first and really has exactly the same words, presumably wasn't.

I guess it stings as he knows - deep down - the techniques of the SNP and UKIP are one and the same. Maybe he is regretting funding them?
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Old 5th Oct 2014, 00:16
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I already knew you had fella, as did anyone else who had had read these threads, faux indignation is always funny as [email protected]@k to watch
That's the best you can do, you must be tired. Go back and read (again perhaps I don't know) #7980 mate. When you understand, let's have a chat mate.

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Old 5th Oct 2014, 00:19
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Originally Posted by JFZ90 View Post

Tom used to twist words and pretend he wasn't.

Absolutely, he is the cut n paste King
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That's the best you can do, you must be tired. Go back and read (again perhaps I don't know) #7980 mate. When you understand, let's have a chat mate.

Tom

Fully understand here fella.


JF employed your previously used cut, alter, paste technique.


You didn't like it and got pissy.


Or did I miss something.........................................






standing by to be told it did
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Old 5th Oct 2014, 00:26
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Originally Posted by JFZ90 View Post
It is not quite the same as joking only slightly changed his words to make the similarities between the SNP and UKIP obvious.

Tom used to twist words and pretend he wasn't.

Strange how my post was apparently "nasty", but his post - which lets face it he posted first and really has exactly the same words, presumably isn't "nasty".

I guess it stings as he knows - deep down - the techniques of the SNP and UKIP are one and the same. Maybe he is regretting funding them?
Neither philosophy nor techniques of the SNP and UKiP are similar as has been noted and commented upon by the mainstream (grown up) political reporters, prior, throughout and since the referendum. You of course believe differently JF as is your want. Your predilection for a particular technique however is writ large across your posts. I suspect that remains the cause of your embarrassment here now.

It is of course your right to consider the SNP and UKiP as similar. I see no parallels whatsoever. Indeed if anything it highlights how shallow your knowledge is of the SNP in particular and Scottish politics in general. Any casual enquiry would point out the difference in attitude towards Immigration, EU membership, membership of the Union, public investment. But, hey that wouldn't concern you and your favoured predilection.

TomJoad wrote: Would be a cold day in hell before I would ever consider voting UKiP engineer, they are as intellectually bankrupt as they are morally. Should the folk south of the wall throw away whatever sense they may have and vote UKiP in sufficient numbers then I suspect that this would be a source of friction between our two countries, whether it would strain our union is of course another matter. In all honesty engineer, I would prefer you lot consign this party to the history books and chalk your dalliance with their doctrine down to a bout of absent mindedness.

I stand by my words above and reject JF's doctrine.


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Old 5th Oct 2014, 00:33
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Originally Posted by Seldomfitforpurpose View Post
Fully understand here fella.


JF employed your previously used cut, alter, paste technique.


You didn't like it and got pissy.


Or did I miss something.........................................






standing by to be told it did

You protest like a virtual Rumpelstiltskin to say you do but I really doubt you have seldom. Go back and read the post mate.

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standing by for usual mouth music
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Old 5th Oct 2014, 00:38
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My my, have we just witnessed the outing of 2 closet UKiP supporters. And they purport to support the Union.

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Old 5th Oct 2014, 00:40
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Tom

It seems you assume that because the SNP and UKIP have different policies on the EU and immigration, that that somehow makes them totally different.

Their policies maybe different, but their modus operandi is where there is not a fag packet between them.

They both use politics based on grievance and grudge to fuel support in those susceptible to such rhetoric.

It matters not whether the "baddies" are westminster, the english, little englanders, the EU or immigrants. The technique of saying 'they are the source of your problems, vote for us and we'll do something about "them" for you' is what these parties feed on.

It doesn't actually surprise me that you can't see the similarities in some ways - if you could really see that this is what the SNP stand for - like most 'grown up' political commentators - you wouldn't fund them or vote for them, or fall for their lame and ill conceived independence charade.



PS Hardly likely to be a UKIPer, I detest all bigoted Nationalists. Good to see that two Nationalist parties have lost leaders & hopefully their way this month. Alex Salmond going, now Nick Griffin booted out.

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Old 5th Oct 2014, 00:44
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Go back and read the post mate.

Tom

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All read fella but it would seem that the blatantly obvious lack of denial on your part implies, that for you, what is good for the goose is not always good for the gander
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Old 5th Oct 2014, 01:03
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Originally Posted by JFZ90 View Post
Tom

It seems you assume that because the SNP and UKIP have different policies on the EU and immigration, that that somehow makes them totally different.

Their policies maybe different, but their modus operandi is where there is not a fag packet between them.

They both use politics based on grievance and grudge to fuel support in those susceptible to such rhetoric.

It matters not whether the "baddies" are westminster, the english, little englanders, the EU or immigrants. The technique of saying 'they are the source of your problems, vote for us and we'll do something about "them" for you' is what these parties feed on.

It doesn't actually surprise me that you can't see the similarities in some ways - if you could really see that this is what the SNP stand for - like most 'grown up' political commentators - you wouldn't fund them or vote for them, or fall for their lame and ill conceived independence charade.
You assume a lot JF, that point at least self-evident. You are ready of course to declare politics of grudge and grievance where none exists - it suits your narrative, that much is clear. Creating a bogeyman has afterall been employed by another political philosophy of which you so admire. It is easy to villainize once you denigrate with such clauses - that was their intent also. A few pages back you made public what was obvious all along - you are a Unionist at heart , unwavering in that conviction. In follows then that you would use any and all measures, no matter how nasty or low, to denigrate a political movement that reflects the honest hopes,desires and ambitions of a significant part of the population. Oh how you so arrogantly condemn them in their ambition, hopes and desires. This of course takes us full circle to our concerns of the closed mind JF. The door to yours is not so much slammed shut but bricked up. It has of course escaped your occluded thinking that UKiP have no popular support in Scotland with respect to election to the national parliament at Holyrood. How strange for a party that, as you claim, are as similar in intent and operation to the most popular party and indeed government post devolution. How strange indeed. Any right thinking person would go back and reconsider their hypothesis. As you do that, take some time to consider how many seats UKiP are likely to win in election to Westminster from English constituencies.

Oh, and in future JF please desist from assuming my belief. Together with altering a written record, it is a rather low form of argument.

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