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First tornadoes, now bushfires; You ok Con Pilot?

Old 6th May 2014, 20:02
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All this talk of wild fires made me wonder whether the mighty Martin Mars still operates in Canada or the US?

Martin JRM Mars - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Old 7th May 2014, 07:41
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No.

Martin Mars water bomber grounded after 53 years in B.C. - Times Colonist
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Old 7th May 2014, 08:15
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That's a pity Newforest2. I guess the cost of keeping the aircraft airworthy is just too prohibitive.

Interesting to see how they used a helicopter with infrared facilities to lead the big beast in for a water bombing run.

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Old 7th May 2014, 13:21
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I guess the cost of keeping the aircraft airworthy is just to prohibitive.
That's one reason, but maybe not the primary one. The BC Government, in its wisdom, decided that a fleet of smaller more mobile aircraft would be better able to combat a fire in its initial stage when it's easier to beat down. They may have a point, but the accountants have forgotten that one Mars can save enough timber in one afternoon to pay its operating cost for a year.
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Old 7th May 2014, 15:16
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I hope we haven't sent the CL 44 - not to sure if we have any airworthy ones left!! One seriously great airplane in its' day!!

Canadair CL-44 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But the CL 415 would probably be a better choice!!


Bombardier 415 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In any case - Glad to hear that all is well with you!!

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Old 7th May 2014, 17:17
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I hope we haven't sent the CL 44 - not to sure if we have any airworthy ones left!! One seriously great airplane in its' day!!

Canadair CL-44 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But the CL 415 would probably be a better choice!!


Bombardier 415 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In any case - Glad to hear that all is well with you!!

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Thank you, my mistake, I just saw a quick photo of the aircraft on the news, and in my old mind, got the name of the aircraft wrong.

It is a 415.

Thanks again.
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Old 7th May 2014, 17:51
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As one who does this for a living, currently sitting on fire contract in Cloquet, Minnesota with MN DNR, I can say that they would not have intentionally lit the fire if they thought it would escape. Sometimes it does happen....

Prescribed fire, (or controlled burns as most know them as), need to be lit to undo the many years of suppressing every wild fire. We are playing catch up in the US trying to burn the dead and down under story that has accumulated over the last 100 years. In order to get it burnt, we must have favorable conditions for fire otherwise we are wasting our time.... it is a fine line. Some parts of the US are more open to us setting fires than others. I know in California I have only set three fires for a total of about 5,000 acres in the last 7 years, and yet in Missouri I set an average of 40,000 acres per year. Typically we show up and are handed the "prescription" which states the conditions under which we are allowed to light it, and the overall objectives of the fire. We can control the intensity and heat index of the fire by utilizing the aircraft and various ground units.

Here is a video of what Con-Pilot speaks----with air attack, and the tankers etc:



And for those who are interested, here is a couple of videos of me setting a "prescribed fire" with the heli-torch in Idaho:

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Old 7th May 2014, 18:26
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Thanks Gordy.

By the way, I've been meaning to ask you this, but havenít had the chance until now.

Back in my Marshal days, 1988-1998, we ended up with more Sabre 80s than we had pilots for, we were always short of pilots back then, and one of our 80s was given to the Forestry Service.

Because of lack of recent jet experience of the Forestry Service pilots they requested that one of the Marshal pilots fly with their Chief Pilot and Deputy Chief Pilot in one of our Sabre 80s before they went to Flight Safety for their type ratings.

As usual I was on our chief pilots sh!t list, for doing something I thought was funny, but he didn't, I was stuck in the office, the worse punishment ever, when this happened. So I jumped up and volunteered, anything to get out of the office.

I flew with these guys, very sorry I cannot remember their names, for a week. They were fun guys and good pilots. At the end of the week the chief pilot promised me that I could fly one of the OV-1s or 2s, can't remember which they had now.

So my question or questions are, what ever happened to the Sabre 80 and do you guys still have the OVs?
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Old 7th May 2014, 18:48
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I have no clue what happened to the aircraft. I know Cal-Fire still uses OV-10's, and Huey's that are owned by USFS. The USFS uses a bunch of king airs, cessna, piper, DC-3's, beavers, and I think there is a citation for the night time infra-red flights. I do know that once taken out of commission they have to be scrapped.

Here is a list of all the aircraft registered to the USFS:

See Here
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Old 7th May 2014, 19:01
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Thanks for the list Gordy.

They still have the Saber 80, N774W, found it on page six. Don't know if they are still flying it. Never got to fly one of the OV-10s.
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Old 7th May 2014, 19:53
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One would part with major organs to fly an OV-10.
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Old 7th May 2014, 20:52
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One would part with major organs to fly an OV-10.
A certain Belgain pilot nearly did while aerobating one a couple of years ago. Good to hear he is well on the mend and his survival in many ways due to the toughness of the OV-10...


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Old 8th May 2014, 05:12
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Shazbat! Can't see that. Heavily censored server kind of thing....
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Old 8th May 2014, 05:19
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"And for those who are interested, here is a couple of videos of me setting a "prescribed fire" with the heli-torch in Idaho:"

Very interesting.


What are you dropping to get such a nice even spread / line of fire ?
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Old 8th May 2014, 06:24
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What are you dropping to get such a nice even spread / line of fire ?
The old days of the powder mix are gone....this is a 50/50 mix of diesel and gasoline mixed with a product called "Flash 21".

See here

It is basically a gelling agent that works really well. In the past, we would have to mix 2 or 3 barrels separately and let them sit for 30 minutes to "gel up"...not so with Flash 21....it gels in about 3-4 minutes so we only use one mix barrel and pump directly into the torch barrel saving lots of time and risk exposure. It gets pumped out of the nozzle and ignited as it drops....

In reality---it is modern napalm...... I have to say....it is the biggest rush one can ever have.....setting fire to 10,000 acres of forest at a time.... (Obviously do not try this at home etc.......)
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Old 8th May 2014, 06:27
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Thanks - interesting.

'Only ever set fires up North Aus, once on a flood plain because the Aboriginal
was going to do it so it just meant 4 of use lit fires at the same time in a line.

The other time was in the scrub up north on a farm, the bloke lights
fires at the end of the wet season as soon as it is partially dry to burn
off the grass etc before it gets too dry and turns into a raging fire late
in the dry season.
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Old 8th May 2014, 06:48
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It can be a lot of fun......

Having said that it is extremely rewarding. Once you understand fire and can read the fuel types, topography, weather and fire intensity---you can control the rate rate of spread, intensity, speed and even stop it..... Obviously there is a limit to what we can control, and occasionally there will be a weather shift and there is nothing one can do to stop the escape.

It is an art form performed by a team.....and is truly magical to be a part of.
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Old 8th May 2014, 13:26
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Great little vids Gordy. That stuff ain't something you'd use to burn the backyard leaves.

Con check out Patty Wagstaff's page on FB. She flies the OV-10 for Cal-Fire during the season.
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Old 8th May 2014, 14:30
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connie - That's really funny that you've never seen a tornado!
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Old 8th May 2014, 15:53
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My favourite Mars pic.

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