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Is the veil of darkness slowly descending on Russia?

Old 18th Aug 2014, 00:58
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Anytime con Always enjoy reading your posts...

barry... exactly!
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Old 18th Aug 2014, 06:06
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...I really would like to know why you think Moscow is safer than London.

Fewer Russian gangsters in Moscow.
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Old 18th Aug 2014, 17:46
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Fewer Russian gangsters in Moscow.
I think they must have moved to London.
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Old 18th Aug 2014, 18:21
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*Taps nose knowingly...*
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Old 20th Aug 2014, 09:12
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Interesting report from Reuters.
Insight - Ukraine rebel movement faces uncertain future | Reuters

I think that when the 'rebels' start to brutalise the very people whose interests they allegedly represent, then they're in trouble.
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Old 27th Aug 2014, 00:58
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Breaking (old) news...

Russia invades the Ukraine:
Earlier, Ukraine said its military had captured 10 Russian paratroopers near the village of Dzerkalne, near the Russian border...
...A Russian defence ministry source told the Russian news agency RIA Novosti the soldiers crossed the border "by accident"....
...The source also said some 500 Ukrainian servicemen had crossed the border at various times, adding: "We did not give much publicity to that. We just returned all those willing to return to Ukrainian territory at safe places."...
...But Ukrainian military spokesman Andriy Lysenko said: "This wasn't a mistake, but a special mission they were carrying out."
I've watched some of the televised reports of the Ukrainian "interrogations" of some of these 10 Russian paratroopers on Skynews, BBC etc. What bothers me is whatever happened to "name, rank and serial number" as being all that "prisoners of war" need to answer, and why are these elite Russian conscripts, pre-cursor of the hordes to follow, blathering so...?!

Also, it appears that Ukraine will be spending an additional US$3 billions over 2 years 2015-17 on:
...re-equipping the army after an "exhausting" campaign against pro-Russian rebels.
I thought that Ukraine was literally broke?! Where does all this money come from? Is it partly EU / USA / IMF economic aid in some diverted form? If that is the case, shouldn't "the impartial media" more correctly report the "pro-Western and supported Ukrainian government..." whenever it also reports "pro-Russian rebels / terrorists..."?! That might be fair...
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Old 27th Aug 2014, 04:14
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I've watched some of the televised reports of the Ukrainian "interrogations" of some of these 10 Russian paratroopers on Skynews, BBC etc. What bothers me is whatever happened to "name, rank and serial number" as being all that "prisoners of war" need to answer, and why are these elite Russian conscripts, pre-cursor of the hordes to follow, blathering so...?!
There is no war officially. Its in internal conflict, hence their criminals, terrorists etc. The Russian soldiers are there by accident or illegally carrying out combat operations. Not sure on the illegality of apply the rules of war to those.
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Old 27th Aug 2014, 05:32
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The Russian soldiers are there by accident or illegally carrying out combat operations.
A error of few hundred metres might be an accident..........but 20km?
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Old 27th Aug 2014, 11:26
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A error of few hundred metres might be an accident..........but 20km?
AHH but it will all be the fault of the evil west and offsetting their GPS.
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Old 27th Aug 2014, 11:34
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offsetting their GPS.
Russkies have their own toys for navigation.
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Old 27th Aug 2014, 12:59
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Russkies have their own toys for navigation.
But us evil westerners, most likely in the evil empire NATO have obviously hacked it to make them look bad.

On another note, got this off the bbc

Seems the rebels are getting even better equipped and further down it appears that some media in Russia are starting to question.

In an editorial (in Russian) headlined, "Are we fighting?", it pointed to the case of the captured paratroopers as well as mysterious funerals for Russian soldiers, some of whom were said officially to have died on training exercises.
Seems they have been having a lot of "Training accidents lately".
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Old 27th Aug 2014, 13:42
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Seems the rebels are getting even better equipped.......
Interesting column in the Daily Telegraph today; speculates that Mad Vlad has invested so much political capital in bending Ukraine to his will that he can no longer back down, regardless of sanctions. With the recent territorial gains of the regular Ukrainian forces, he has been forced to escalate what had been a covert proxy war into a far more overt military operation to prop up the pro-Russian rebels. I donít think any objective person really believes for one moment that Russian military simply Ďgot lostí, and the DT reported that soldiers with Russian uniforms and military vehicles (with insignia removed, similar to the BBC story) had been seen setting up checkpoints in Eastern Ukraine.

Taking on a bunch of weekend warriors is one thing, but I fear the Ukrainian army wonít stand a chance against the mainstream Russian Military.
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Old 27th Aug 2014, 21:01
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Taking on a bunch of weekend warriors is one thing, but I fear the Ukrainian army wonít stand a chance against the mainstream Russian Military.
Its well known the Ukrainian military was run down before this conflict. Sadely I think this was a long term plan.. Even with out direct intervention, they are in an unsustainable situation.

Effectively the Ukrainians have fixed resources due to us not supplying hardware, whilst the rebels have a continuouse supply of hardware and manpower.

To get around that the Ukrainians needed to end it quickly.

This extra from the bbc.

BBC News - Ukraine crisis: Luhansk firm moves factory to Russia

The aid convoy that ORAC mentioned the facotry.

A Ukrainian firm has moved the contents of its engineering factory from the war-hit city of Luhansk in eastern Ukraine to central Russia.
An official told Russian TV they left because of the violence, and because their customers were mostly in Russia.
Rebel-held Luhansk has been under siege for 25 days and is struggling with power and water supplies.
There was no indication of how the contents of the Luhansk machine-building plant had been moved.
The revelations emerged after Ukraine claimed a Russian aid convoy had been used to move equipment from a factory that made parts for helicopter engines.
Officials said factory thefts were being carried across rebel-held areas.
The Russians have a long history of atrocities such as massacres, rape etc, looks like looting is another. One wonders if they actually have any professional miltary, if you where one you would have to be ashamed.

Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk said he had received Polish intelligence reports that regular units of the Russian army were operating inside Ukraine
The Committee of Soldiers' Mothers in Russia's northern Caucasus said it had a list of 400 soldiers who had been killed or wounded - but it did not know where the injuries and deaths had happened
Ukrainian helicopter pilot Nadiya Savchenko appeared in court in the Russian city of Voronezh for a hearing on her continued detention in custody on charges of complicity in the killing of two Russian TV journalists
And abducting Ukrainian service people taking them into Russia and putting them on trial. Surely the could be International law against that.

And we sit around doing nothing, when are we pulling off the gloves?
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Old 29th Aug 2014, 18:59
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The helpful map from Canada's NATO delegation (CC/ Twitter).

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Old 29th Aug 2014, 19:53
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wtf do the Canadians know about Ukrainian/Russian history?

I'm sick of those Governments who have no experience of either country giving their uninformed armchair analysis.

And I'm Canadian/British lived and worked out of Moscow almost fifteen years and six months in Ukraine just outside of Odessa.

The Russians are the only rational actors in this game, and as for the Ukrainians they lost it as soon as Willy Wonka took 'charge', lets hope our Yank friends can rein in his worst excesses.
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Old 29th Aug 2014, 20:18
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The Russians are the only rational actors in this game
it would be interesting to read how you define 'rational' in this case.

To focus on one aspect and not the 'actors' or 'game' choice of words.
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Old 29th Aug 2014, 20:26
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Are you American by any chance?
My guess would be no.
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Old 29th Aug 2014, 20:53
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Are you American by any chance?
British/Canadian.

I have a lot of respect for the US btw and some of my best pals are American but not Obama... but that's best left for another thread.
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Old 29th Aug 2014, 21:04
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I have a lot of respect for the US btw and some of my best pals are American but not Obama....
but have you ever stayed in a Holiday Inn ?

if not you opinion doesn't count in the value field
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Old 29th Aug 2014, 21:46
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Flash 8 asked...........


"wtf do the Canadians know about Ukrainian/Russian history?"


Perhaps the fact that about 200,000 Ukrainians emigrated to Canada about 100 years ago has resulted in a large number of Canadians who know quite a lot about Ukrainian/Russian history.
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