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Old 11th Apr 2014, 05:24
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Heathrow passenger security

Can anyone with experience of security at LHR possibly give an idea on how World War 1 shells could pass a check before boarding a flight to ORD?

Teenagers smuggle WWI bombs on a Heathrow jet bound for Chicago | Metro News

I love the quotue from a spokesman:-

A spokeswoman for Heathrow said: ‘We have the world’s most advanced airport scanning equipment. It is designed to pick up actual threats such as explosive material, whereas these were inert items that posed no threat.’
It makes me cringe
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Old 11th Apr 2014, 06:23
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Someone should be fired.
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Old 11th Apr 2014, 09:01
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Anyone with eyes and a brain who works in commercial aviation knows full well that security has been and still is far from ideal.

That's my polite version.
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Old 11th Apr 2014, 09:41
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A spokeswoman for Heathrow said: ‘We have the world’s most advanced airport scanning equipment.
Why would you want to scan an airport?

IMHO Security is nothing but theatrics.
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It amazes me that these got through.

It is not like they don't look like shells.
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Old 11th Apr 2014, 09:55
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What's the problem? It's just a couple of lumps of metal.
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How did they know that ?

Inert shells are identical to live shells, especially rusted one's like that.
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Old 11th Apr 2014, 10:17
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If you are referring to the Heathrow screeners then the equipment used to scan baggage will tell them that.

The Americans, after the ritual ado, came to the same conclusion.
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The fact that the US officials let the kids go without charge would suggest that despite all the huffing and puffing by some this is a lot of a non story
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Why does anyone even query the idiocy of airport security screening ?

like "Military Intelligence", Airport departure security is an oxymoron. ( run by morons, too. )

Don't forget - always carry a bomb with you when travelling by air, there is no known record of there ever having been TWO bombs on board an aircraft.

The Bad Boys will do whatever they want, precisely when they want to do it, present procedures only harass innocent passengers and crew. ( If I were still aircrew I'd be in Guantanamo Bay in an orange jump suit now, 'cos I would have surely hit one of the idiots, just can't understand why the present crew members put up with it so meekly ?)

Recently Mrs ExS was harangued by one of the perpetrators of this pantomime -'cos she had her passport hanging around her neck in one of those pouch things designed for the purpose. She was told that it constituted a - quote - 3rd piece of baggage, and "rules" said she could only carry one piece of cabin baggage and a "personal" item, in this case her handbag. Beggars belief.
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It amazes me that these got through.

It is not like they don't look like shells.

C4 = beep, beep, beep
Semtex = beep, beep,beep
WWI Cordite - not so much...





Note to NSA: these are being listed for illustration purposes by the author of this post. No actual explosives were used in writing of this post.
 
Old 12th Apr 2014, 01:55
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Here is a better one...


Pipe bomb security failure at Edmonton airport kept quiet - Edmonton - CBC News



Skylar Murphy, 18, of Spruce Grove, Alta., was allowed to board a flight to Mexico on Sept. 20, 2013, with his family because screening personnel did not recognize the pipe bomb he had in a camera bag was an explosive device. The incident was not reported to the RCMP until Sept. 24. Murphy was arrested by the RCMP when he returned from Mexico on Sept. 27.

The teenager was charged with possession of an explosive substance.
 
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Security theatre. Gives the illusion of security but not worth much in real terms. Half of them wouldn't know what they're looking at and in the third world it's not much more than an excuse to paw through your carry on to satisfy curiosity and perhaps score some toothpaste or a set of nail clippers.
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It is irritating at Shanghai when they do a carry-on inspection immediately prior to boarding to remove all water bottles. Most places seem now to have progressed to letting you carry on water you've acquired airside and at SFO they even now point out that you can take an empty bottle through and fill it once past security.
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Re empty water bottles, I was coming through LAX one day and because of the "no liquids" rule, had my empty coke bottle (which I normally fill with water once through) and the TSA lady bloody well confiscated it saying I wasn't allowed it

I started to say something and could see I wasn't going to get anywhere
so let it be but the inconsistencies is what gets me.
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I got "specially selected for extra security processing"[*] at SFO once, they quite happily checked out the empty water bottle in the bag along with everything else in there and it was still there at the end.

I was half-expecting problems at Shanghai, so the water bottle in the bag was a re-used one from the hotel that I wasn't too upset to lose.

[*] I don't blame them for that one, single man, one-way flight booked less than 24hrs before departure. I even knew it was going to happen and turned up a bit earlier, because it wouldn't let me check in on-line and I queried it with the airline in case it was problem with the booking.
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In the 1980's I travelled through Frankfurt am Main every week. They really prided themselves on their anti-terrorist security.

When I wrote to them pointing out that someone could wheel a official airport baggage trolley outside, take it home, fit explosives in the tubular structure, bring it back inside and pass it around the luggage scanning system (as one did, to have a trolley on airside for the long march down to the gate) the answer I received was "but nobody would do that". I suppose no German terrorist (i.e. the Red Army Faction) would have done it as it was forbidden.

That was the first time I realised that the entire security system at airports is just for show and that anybody with two brain cells and the ability to defy written regulations can circumvent the whole daft system.
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I used to fly out of Inverness every month with a small hold bag with a few days kit. Was called forward every time for a hand search of the bag.

I then asked the security guy, in a friendly casual way, why it was that this particular bag was always selected for a check - he just said that no bag was repeatedly 'picked on'. I then pointed out that every time for the past 6 flights out of the airport that bag was selected for hand search (I didn't say that I was convinced it was because it was small and therefore a quick simple search!). Funny old thing, I was NEVER stopped for a bag search again at Inverness
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Old 14th Apr 2014, 12:03
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OFSO

I flew UK to Aus 4 or 5 times with full leg cast, crutches, metal pins in leg (and I took my X rays along)
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Sure glad that was the 80's and not now. Would be a bloody nightmare.
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Old 14th Apr 2014, 12:48
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TSA - Thousands Standing Around.

Yep, it's all for show, but if you give them a reason to cast you into the play then you can rest assured that they will run the full script by you.
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