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Old 28th Feb 2014, 17:01
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The plane that changed the world

I was having a shuft through the Beebs offerings on I player and came upon this, sorry if its been shown here before, Mods feel fee to merge or remove if so

BBC iPlayer - Jumbo: The Plane that Changed the World
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Old 28th Feb 2014, 17:03
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Also on youtube, if you are outside the UK.

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Old 28th Feb 2014, 17:04
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I watched it last night. Really good programme. I didn't realise just what an advance the 747 was till I watched it.
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Old 28th Feb 2014, 17:09
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Any Young Earth Creationist will tell you that this is the plane that changed the world - it belonged to Noah.

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Old 28th Feb 2014, 17:13
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My mate used to fly the 'classic' for BA. He remembers them being underpowered (unable to climb at higher levels until lightened by fuel burn) and "each one carried 5 engines - one a spare for when one of the others failed". He also recalls difficult engine starts at high altitude fields - at one time using the APU and external air to get the first one going (against the rules, but it worked!).

The 5 engine comment was an exaggeration but only just! It was not uncommon for early 747s to carry a spare engine under the wing for a grounded fleet mate that had suffered a failure.
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Old 28th Feb 2014, 18:17
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A whole hour dedicated to the 747 and it's endless engine problems, two words omitted altogether as if they didn't exist.

"Rolls" and "Royce".
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Old 28th Feb 2014, 18:21
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Didn't see the programme and I don't know what it said, but in one very real sense it did change the world. On most of the routes on which it was introduced, it replaced one-for-one a 150-seater. Demand in those days normally increased about 7% a year, here was supply (on selected routes) increasing at about 130%.

All those extra seats had to be filled - cue APEX and all the other low promotional fares, blowing the tightly-regulated IATA-controlled fare structure out of the water and bringing the democratisation of long-haul air travel.
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A whole hour dedicated to the 747 and it's endless engine problems, two words omitted altogether as if they didn't exist.
When it came to high by-pass jet engines back then, they didn't exist.
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Old 28th Feb 2014, 18:43
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Spent ages 'spotting' in the early 1970s, and 'professionally' since 1979.
To this day I have never seen a 747 carrying a 'fifth' engine.
Photographs of this are about as rare as a cyclist obeying a traffic signal.
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Old 28th Feb 2014, 18:47
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Whatever happened to PanAm and TWA?
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Old 28th Feb 2014, 19:04
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The plane that changed the world

Great tv programme - what a genius joe Suter was
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Old 28th Feb 2014, 19:10
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...like this you mean....

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Old 28th Feb 2014, 19:17
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I don't understand your reference to Rolls-Royce in connection to the early Jumbos. Rolls engines weren't available until the much improved -200 version. After which they took a reasonable but nt spectacular share of the market against the PW and GE offerings.
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Old 28th Feb 2014, 19:41
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Zooker it is comments like that makes me wish I had taken more pictures when I was flying. I did a fifth pod a couple of times on the -200 and it was just another day.

Indeed my final line check to be Captain had a fifth pod and the checker spent most of the flight laughing and saying that he did not set it up.

It really is a non event from a flying point of view. A few extra limitations and a different page in the take off performance manual. None of my passengers ever noticed.

Back to the thread, loved the aircraft, have a serious number of hours on the Classic and -400, around 25 years of the best years of aviation.

Edited to change -400 to -200, we didn't have the fifth pod on the -400. Age blurs memories...

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Old 28th Feb 2014, 20:03
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An enjoyable programme.
Bearing in mind what was at stake ie the Company, 'failure was not an option' when Boeing went ahead and developed the 747. Very courageous decision by those involved.
I was at Kai Tak when the first one was delivered to Cathay Pacific. Being shown round it was an awesome experience.
Have flown in it many times since.
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Old 28th Feb 2014, 21:06
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[Not sure where I read that.]


I would agree, I think it was a design concept for a USAF freighter and Boeing lost the contract, so had to do something with it ! Details escape me.


[Whatever happened to PanAm and TWA]

and BOAC !!


Training a newly hired PanAm 747 Captain, following Lockerbie, for a S.E. Asian airline that we were both then flying for, as we applied power for take-off I remarked that our pax. didn't realise that they were sitting behind the "World's Most Experienced" - the PanAm slogan of the time, and the "World's Favourite" - the B.A. (BOAC) slogan. He thought for a brief moment, then slapped his thigh and whooped in a loud Texan accent "you're right buddy, V1, rotate " !!


Happy days, great aircraft to fly.
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Old 28th Feb 2014, 21:11
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A bit mis-leading perhaps was that program... Here are the aircraft that changed the world.

Wright Flyer
Sopwith Camel/Fokker tri-plane
DC3/C47
Spitfire/P51/B17/Lancaster
DC6/Northstar/Stratocruiser/Constellation
DC8/B707/Convair 880
B747
Concorde

All for different reasons. I'm sure everyone has their list but funnily...I can't think of one since Concorde.
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Old 28th Feb 2014, 21:53
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Concorde changed nothing.
An ego trip for the Brits and the French
Proved it could be done
Proved it couldn't be done commercially.

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Old 28th Feb 2014, 21:55
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How about the B52 ?

Also, what about some german aircraft from WW II ?

And the Hurricane.
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