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Old 20th Feb 2014, 17:30
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Kiev / Ukraine

Man it's turning into a blood bath. I hope that they see sense and stop killing each other ASAP.
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Old 20th Feb 2014, 17:33
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Nope, the bloodbath will continue. And, due in large part to the Olympic games in Sochi, Russia will not intervene.

The only way out of this mess, in my opinion, is for the leader of the Ukraine - Yanukovych - to leave. But I doubt Vlad the Impaler will allow that to happen.
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Old 20th Feb 2014, 17:41
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Jeez, some of the TV footage is truly grim. RT is spewing out its usual cr*p about its all the fault of the protestors.
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Old 20th Feb 2014, 17:43
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It's more or less a civil war now.

Foremost, Ukrainians should not believe that anyone will be coming to their rescue. They should not ignore what happened to Syria (and their rebels).

However, they might well plead that no "foreign powers" become directly involved in their troubles (again, with Syria in mind).

The current conflict is something that the Ukranians must resolve themselves (hopefully avoiding what happened in Syria and limiting the overall loss of lives).

Good luck to you, comrades...!
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Old 20th Feb 2014, 17:44
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And, as with Syria, the rest of the world will wring their hands and say 'stop it!'

A word to the wise Mr Yanukovych, its okay to kill civvies by shooting and bombing them but don't try nerve gas on them, it's inhumane.....
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Old 20th Feb 2014, 17:48
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You really can't compare Syria to the Ukraine as they are two completely different peoples. As we witness the current splintering of Syria into various factions the same will not hold true in Ukraine as they are all one homogenous, Slavic, population.

The similarity is: the West will hum and haw, wringing their collective hands whilst shouting "Stop it boys, stop it."

And hundreds more will die.
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Old 20th Feb 2014, 17:49
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However, they might well plead that no "foreign powers" become directly involved in their troubles (again, with Syria in mind).
Good luck with that, when it comes to Putin. (With Syria in mind.)

But one thing about it, neither side need worry about Obama doing anything.

Well except making nice speeches claiming that there are things he will not stand for, then sit quietly by as those things he will not allow to happen, happen.
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Old 20th Feb 2014, 17:49
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Its a bit closer to home than Syria, with a lot more at stake for both Europe and Russia. Lets hope cool heads prevail.
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Old 20th Feb 2014, 17:53
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But one thing about it, neither side need worry about Obama doing anything.
He has said he's "monitoring the situation" and that things shouldn't get "out of hand."

That should be enough.


Besides, Europe can handle this. Just watch...
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Old 20th Feb 2014, 17:55
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brick wrote:

He has said he's "monitoring the situation" and that things shouldn't get "out of hand."
No, no, no brick. You misheard him. He said "I have a monitor in the sit-room and I'm using my hand."
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Old 20th Feb 2014, 17:57
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I heard Obama's weasel words. What a total and utter waste of space he is.

Expect an influx of Ukrainians into Europe now, as Ukraine borders four Schengen states it will be easy for them to cross those borders and then have uncontrolled movement with the Schengen zone. Another tragic relic of communism and repression. I assume the west will simply observe.
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Old 20th Feb 2014, 17:58
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Right now my money is on Russia. I can't see the EU doing a damn thing and we, the US, needs to stay the hell out of it.

For once, Obama doing nothing is the right thing.

It is time, past time really, for the UK and Europe to step up and do the right thing.

Which is why I believe that Putin will prevail.

And I'll bet a beer on that.
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Old 20th Feb 2014, 18:01
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Bravo angels

And none of us really want to read any more reports about how US President Obama might have uttered words to the effect recently on the Ukranian crisis that "there would be consequences", so tired are we when he drew that "imaginary line in the sand" when it came to Syria...?!

The EU (especially), USA, Russia etc. should all sit back, grab a bag of pop-corn, watch the show unfolding, and do nothing...! Especially when it comes to the EU, France and the UK perhaps, seeking a way to distract their own citizens from more pressing issues "at home"...
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Old 20th Feb 2014, 18:07
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"imaginary line in the sand"
Actually airship Obama later claimed that 'the world drew the red line in the sand', so to say, not him.

So he really didn't say what you, I and the rest of the world heard him say.
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Old 20th Feb 2014, 18:11
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The Ukrainians have tried both breeds already. Sooner or later, one of these countries is going to work out that they need someone who isn't a politician in charge.
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Old 20th Feb 2014, 18:14
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Klitschko could be just what the Dr ordered.

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Old 20th Feb 2014, 18:27
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Perhaps Klitschko should challenge Putin to a boxing match, winner takes the Ukraine. After all, Putin considers himself quite the athlete.
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Old 20th Feb 2014, 18:45
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To be frank, I confess that I'm more or less at a complete loss when it comes to understanding the motivations of individual politicians and how countries also behave generally in 2014.

airship's pretty gung-ho. For example, I'd like to invade Australia (if only to save the stray cats and bunnies) and take control of all their natural resources. But how to "manage" all those unruly Ozzies and make some profit from the natural resources? The same question might have been asked of all the "Empire-builders" of the past few thousand years...?!

If Nigerian government ministers can each so easily acquire $100s of millions, if not several billions of diverted oil-income, then why should it be any real problem for our 1st World politicians to accomplish the same if their main motivation was simply to get rich?

Which leaves us with the extremely scary situation of individual politicians and governments these days seeking to become demi-Gods or similar. Sort of like Napoleon III but without all the romanticism.

PS. The Syrian (rebels) probably watched Star War movies a little bit too often. Perhaps wanting to believe in stuff, "the force" that their own religion/s did not provide. And somehow thinking that this "force" truly existed elsewhere on Earth (anymore).
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Old 20th Feb 2014, 18:56
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He has said he's "monitoring the situation" and that things shouldn't get "out of hand."
How stereotypical - viewing world events through the narrow prism of bi-partisan US politics...

I thought you guys would be chuffed Barry wasn't going to get involved. Last time he said he was you all went completely batsh*t.
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Old 20th Feb 2014, 19:08
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the same will not hold true in Ukraine as they are all one homogenous, Slavic, population.

Where did you get that pearl of wisdom? Have you ever been to Ukraine?
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