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Old 3rd Mar 2014, 12:25
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I'll say the same as I have on the many other threads running around on this. Putin is a bully, and like most bully's he's taking advantage of the situation. Until someone who can give him a blood nose he will do as he likes.
don't underestimate the Ukrainian military force. IF Putin & Co. do decide to annex the rest of Ukraine it will NOT be a walk in the park for the Russian military and a nose-bloodying will be in store. Big time.
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Old 3rd Mar 2014, 12:31
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Imagine the scenario in the USA, if the Republicans tried to force Obama out with demonstrations in the streets and attacking the white house, what would Obamas response be?

Apologize for having been the cause of this fracas? Demand a round of kumbayah be sung?

Would he request military assistance to protect him? Then imagine the Republicans overthrow him and Obama flees out of the country, I am sure he would still claim he was the rightfully elected president of the USA!
Oh good. Is he gone yet?
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Old 3rd Mar 2014, 12:34
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Despite the fact that it is homogenously Russian, so let them get on with it - which is precisely what Russia will be thinking `its ours anyway what's it got to do with anybody else? Same old, same old,
I'm sure the Austrian corporal thought similarly when he "annexed"
the Sudetenland. Or parts of, and then eventually all of, Poland.
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I have no doubt we are at a cross roads, we stand up to the school yard bully, or we pull our pants down bend over and you know the rest.
Fart? A big fat, stinking fart?
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Stick your fingers in your ears and sing la-la-la-la....
You sure the ears are appropriate here? Not some other bodily orifice?
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Old 3rd Mar 2014, 12:55
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EU sanctions?
That'll be amusing when Putin turns off the gas and oil pipelines.
Time to defect to Moscow now that spring is in the air?
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Old 3rd Mar 2014, 13:10
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Russia And China 'In Agreement' Over Ukraine
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Old 3rd Mar 2014, 14:02
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@ rgbrock1

""I'm sure the Austrian corporal thought similarly when he "annexed"
the Sudetenland. Or parts of, and then eventually all of, Poland.""


Nobody had the bomb then
- t-h-e b-o-m-b
the one that goes b-a-n-g,


politics have changed somewhat since those times and are a tad different now.

BOOM! BOOM! BYEEE!!


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Old 3rd Mar 2014, 14:16
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Well done to Putin for doing this. He is sticking up for the people in Ukraine who do not agree with the removal of the former legitimate government. It was a coup backed by the west. The arrogance of our western leaders in doing this on the doorstep of Russia is totally outrageous. I wonder how Washington would like it if Russia carried out such a thing in say Mexico or Canada! I remember how the US acted with the Cuban Missile crisis!
Every word said by a mainstream western politician these days if nothing but a joke, especially when they are talking about the Ukraine.
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Old 3rd Mar 2014, 14:23
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They wouldn't get away with this in Georgia!
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Old 3rd Mar 2014, 14:34
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In Georgia? Probably not around Savannah, Georgia as that's the home of the 1st Ranger Battalion who'd kick all their asses.

Oh.... that other Georgia..... never mind.
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Old 3rd Mar 2014, 14:44
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Ya never know, rgb; The Bolshoi Corps could flood the place with pink tutus, then the Rangers would be putty in their hands. Allegedly.
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Old 3rd Mar 2014, 14:55
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I do hope this will not affect travel to Sochi for the Paralympics as some of them have been training really hard.
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Old 3rd Mar 2014, 15:01
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Probably. So would the Australian spec ops personnel, clad in their ballerina attire, right 500N?
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Old 3rd Mar 2014, 15:02
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Tell it to Putin! I'm sure he's all in tears about the Paralympics.

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Old 3rd Mar 2014, 15:17
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Seen the latest ? Looks like it's about to kick off.

BBC News - Russia demands surrender of Ukraine's Crimea forces
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Old 3rd Mar 2014, 15:25
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UK sends drone to Ukraine...

Most of you probably missed it, but the UK did send one of her most capable drones to the Ukraine last Sunday, in a unilateral attempt to resolve the current situation. In the form of UK Foreign Secretary William Hague, who droned on variously but always monotonously and variously:
...we will act in a united way...with other nations "in the World"...the EU...my colleagues in Brussels...if this becomes "the normal way" of behaving...of intruding...and violating the sovereignty of (neighbours)...that would be an even bigger crisis in International affairs...
Others here have already previously raised the issues of Afghanistan, Iraq etc. and what may or not constitute any right to intervene directly / indirectly in another sovereign nation. What goes round, eventually comes around...?

The "West" has had much time ever since the Ukraine became independent in 1991. "We" might have done much more to both welcome and reinforce ties with that country. But we never really did (unsure if that was basically because of lazy politicians or just lazy bees, too many drones or just simple inattention or lethargy. But Russia (and Putin) have seriously wrong-footed us all once again, just as happened in Georgia and Syria most recently. Or as I like to believe, they're just merely better at chess than we are.

Looking at some of the photos of Ukrainians holding-up placards written in English saying "SAVE US", "SAVE UKRAINE" and "HELP UKRAINE":





I have this to say of the Ukrainians:

1) Perhaps you should have kept a few of those nuclear weapons instead of signing-up to the NPT and getting rid of them all at independence...? Ukraine may today be considered more seriously...?!

2) Seriously reconsider whether or not Russia is your enemy. And the West is your friend. Perhaps you are your own worst enemy? Over 2 decades since independence and living in a new democracy - perhaps you were too lazy (or otherwise) to push for reforms, get rid of corrupt politicians etc.?

3) You must be crazy (Ivan) to really think Russia is going to get out, or that the West is going to come to your help anytime soon. Just ask the Syrian rebels...?!

4) Before embarking on your own "civil war", take a look at what is today left of Syria, Egypt, Afghanistan, Iraq etc. Look again at the massive destruction of civil infra-structure, families and lives that their so-called wars of liberation brought to them...?! Just because "some of you" don't feel they have anything else "left to lose", doesn't mean that "they're" given a free-license which should allow them to destroy a whole nation...

The Western drones no longer have any stings remaining in their tails. The best "we" can do would be to impose economic sanctions (which will probably hurt ordinary Ukrainians even more than their intended targets, just like real bombs and bullets...). Or not go to Sochi. Or make the G8 the G7 again...?! "We" might have been just mildly supportive had the UK, France, Germany (or even NATO) moved up a few regiments of tanks, infantry or missiles upto the borders shared by Ukraine and the EU...

Let's face it: You're on your own! Upto ordinary Ukrainians to "make peace" with their fellow "Russian-speaking / origin" fellow-citizens.

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Old 3rd Mar 2014, 15:29
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You know, Russia really does need to tread carefully here. Granted they do have a rather large army with lots of hardware but Putin needs to keep in mind that Ukraine has the 2nd largest Army in Europe, behind Russia.

I'm sure the Russian army would eventually slap them around BUT not before they encountered a rather profusely bleeding nose and maybe a couple of broken arms added in for good measure.
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Old 3rd Mar 2014, 15:43
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fitliker wrote:
I do hope this will not affect travel to Sochi for the Paralympics as some of them have been training really hard.
As you say, despite Prince Andrew having been "strong-armed" by UK GOV into not being present at Sochi, the athletes are and should be allowed to make their way to and compete (by all sides). Just because a lot of politicians have been very lazy over the past 4 years with regard to the Ukraine, the athletes have been training hard and deserve their chances...

PS. rgbrock1, do you like watching dogs fight...?
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Old 3rd Mar 2014, 15:44
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Airship,You got one thing wrong by saying he was one of our most capable drones.The boy should have stuck to delivering lemonade.Given half a chance he would have had us fighting side by side with AlQuaida in Syria by now.
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