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Old 22nd Sep 2013, 23:34
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No idea about the quality of the source....but it does raise some eyebrows if all this is true!

Ms. Leithwaite's presence would be a real shock I would think for those of you in the UK.

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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 00:04
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They proceeded to tweet the names one by one, including Ahmed Mohamed Isse, 22, “native” of St. Paul, Minn., Abdifatah Osman Keenadiid, 24, of Minneapolis, and Gen Mustafe Noorudiin, 27, of Kansas City, Mo.
There's a set of good old American names for you.
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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 00:21
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At the start I'll say I'm Atheist. Personally, I find anyone blindly believing in a God/Gods misguided.

Muslims are generally a peaceful people. What a lot of the Western World seems unable to discern is that these 'Terrorists' are a sub-group of Muslims.

To Christians is like the Church of the later day Saints, Mormons or the Westbroro Church group. The latter being 'extremist' at most with-in Christianity. By those who think nothing about "broadly-painting" *all* Muslims as terrorists I find slightly disingenuous. You do realise they are a faction, a sub-group with-in the Muslim religion. Some here have a short memory....IRA anyone?

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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 01:12
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maxmartin,most people realise this.

Extremists do not represent the view of the majority in any religion or organisation because they hold ,well,extreme views.....
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IRA anyone?
Wow, the IRA hijacked airliners and flew them into buildings in the US. The IRA is currently holding hostages in Kenya after murdering 60 plus non-IRA members in a local shopping mall this weekend.

Who knew.

I'm not defending the IRA, as they cannot be, but let's get real here.

The Westboro Baptist Church, as despicable as they are, have no suicide bombers and have slaughter no one. Hell, last I heard they have not even cut the head off of anyone with a rusty razor.

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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 01:42
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The IDF may be involved in the rescue of the mall hostages. It's a better than even bet they are, if there are Jewish hostages among those still in the mall.

Report: Israelis join Kenyan effort to rescue hostages from terrorists | JPost | Israel News
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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 03:25
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Now I have heard a lot of stupid crass comments here at Jet Blast.....but that is about as bad as it gets. I prefer a rabid assed Born Again Christian trying to retrieve my poor lost Soul than listen to a self righteous bigoted Atheist tell me about the fallacy of other's ways.

You wish to "believe" the way you do....fine.....but do keep your silly assed opinion of others to yourself will you.

They are no more wrong for thinking their way than you are for thinking the way you do.

Those folk tend to show far more tolerance at anonymous forums like these than do those of your Ilk.

You might try a bit of that Christian humility they practice.....you would come across much better if you did.

A single Post ....Lord God in Heaven spare us!

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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 03:50
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wow......calm down!

.....that's a lot of things you've just called me. Why jump on me? I stated at the beginning that Im not for or against any religion, read that as atheist. I don't really understand why the personal attack, again.

What I've said is my opinion...I'm not ramming it down your throat. I didn't realise you could only post one view not a neutral one......but I'm more than happy to leave you all to it.

I've just re-read an earlier post and the only thing that I could see that might cause you offence was saying that Mormons, Westboro church etc. I was trying to make the point that they, like for me my former religion, Roman Catholic, are *all* a sub-group of Christianity. I still don't see a reason for the comment.

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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 04:11
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At the start I'll say I'm Atheist. Personally, I find anyone blindly believing in a God/Gods misguided.
Start with that.
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Ah the wonder of religions to behold!

Getting back to the ongoing siege amidst the spiralling list of casulaties are now included Kofi Awoonor, a Ghanian poet, a Canadian diplomat, the Kenyan president's nephew and his fiance...

The Kenyan army are one of the better trained outfits in Africa and while there is very likely to be US, British (and even Israeli) advisors on site, the final show will be Kenyan no doubt.

I met members of the crew of a US navy vessel en route to deliver more infrastructure in that region recently. The US presence in Kenya is far more ubiquitous than some might imagine...

U.S. Soldiers Prepare Kenyan Army to Teach Counter-IED Procedures | United States Africa Command

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.....as I said, again, it's a personnel opinion, just as this was of yours.....

"A single Post ....Lord God in Heaven spare us!"

......and so it shall be.......but Im not the bigot here, just sick and tired of people dumping on all Muslims. There are bad people in every religion. But your already prejudiced against me. I need say no more......
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But Muslims do seem to push it onto others as well
as taking things to the extreme quicker and faster
than others.

I don't see too many others being macheted to death
in the streets or flying planes, not one but 4 into
buildings.

The IRA might have bombed civilians but not on
the scale that Muslims seem to be able to kill each
other.
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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 04:42
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"and while there is very likely to be US, British (and even Israeli) advisors on site, the final show will be Kenyan no doubt."

I think you'll find US, British, German and the "better" teams
or militaries always behind the scenes of friendly nations.
Indonesia has one hell of a group now.
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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 05:21
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Max,

"All Muslims" do not get dumped on.....they do get questioned as to why they turn a blind eye to what the radicals do in their name. When was the last time there was a mass uprising by any Muslim community showing opposition and condemnation to Al Qaeda and all the Radical Islamists? That just doesn't happen!

In Egypt we did see very limited defense of the Coptic's by a mere handful of Muslims....an act that stood out compared to the atrocities perpetrated by the Mobs of Muslims.

When was the last time we read of Christians bombing Mosques....beheading Muslims if they did not convert.....shooting Muslim Women for wearing Burka's?

It just doesn't happen.

You can defend Islam all you want.....but the facts and reality contradict your position.
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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 05:40
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Originally Posted by maxmartin96 View Post
Muslims are generally a peaceful people. What a lot of the Western World seems unable to discern is that these 'Terrorists' are a sub-group of Muslims.
They are all members of the same club, and do nothing to curtail the excesses of the extreme ones. In fact, I believe a large number of those so called "moderates" secretly approve of what is being done on their behalf.
How else do you explain the lack of action within the Muslim world to root out the vermin in their midst?
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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 09:21
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Sadly there is a certain truth to this comment...

Nairobi shopping mall attack: British-Australian architect killed with pregnant wife - Telegraph


"As always Sir Winston Churchill was right How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome."

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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 10:06
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I suppose we should also heed these words by Mr Churchill... in his comments on the Sudan (how little these things really change over the years)...

.".there are many people in England, and perhaps elsewhere, who seem to be unable to contemplate military operations for clear political objects, unless they can cajole themselves into the belief that their enemy are utterly and hopelessly vile. To this end the Dervishes, from the Mahdi and the Khalifa downwards, have been loaded with every variety of abuse and charged with all conceivable crimes. This may be very comforting to philanthropic persons at home; but when an army in the field becomes imbued with the idea that the enemy are vermin who cumber the earth, instances of barbarity may easily be the outcome. This unmeasured condemnation is moreover as unjust as it is dangerous and unnecessary... We are told that the British and Egyptian armies entered Omdurman to free the people from the Khalifa's yoke. Never were rescuers more unwelcome..."

Live and let live unless the buggers deserve to die.

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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 10:19
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In the midst of this bloody atrocity, our very own, very un-Churchillian, David Cameron contrives to make himself look like a prat again...

Kenya mall attack: David Cameron's rush to 'solve the crisis' won't help | Simon Jenkins | Comment is free | theguardian.com

"What is David Cameron doing by racing south and plunging yet again into his favourite bunker, Cobra? British prime ministers are famously eager to escape royal audiences in Balmoral. But Cameron's flight shows indecent haste. He apparently needs to solve the Kenyan hostage crisis. Really? The Queen was doing Kenya crises before he was born."

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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 10:55
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Will William Hague be so keen to attack Somalia as he was Syria ? Being as Somalia is a terrorist/pirate training ground and a genuine threat to the stability of the region and anyone transiting it in boats .

If its confirmed that UK citizens have been murdered by terrorists based in Somalia will he be shouting as loud as he did for a free Syria ....and would we roll up from Nanyuki to the north ?
The Syrian issue is internal and the west trying to remove someone who has upset someone in the west, this is a genuine threat as Afghanistan was with training bases etc for terrorist groups.
A much better target for the wests wrath than Syria, having been into that sthole that is southern Somalia, it could only be improved. However the Septics have bad memories of the place, due to poor ROE and being run by the Politicians in D.C (SE Asia flashbacks), so not sure there will be any boots on the ground. What it needs is similar to the early Afgan campaign, 'local' forces (mainly Ugandan and Burundi) with CAS, as the Northern Alliance had that enabled them to go through the Taliban like a 7.62 through a....Taliban.

Ps, All you liberals, Radeng, 500N etc tell us what you really think and hop of the fence!
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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 11:03
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Somalia ?

Send in the Aust SAS, the rat bags didn't like them because they didn't
fcuk around the first time they took them on, got a bloody nose and
learn't well enough to leave them alone.

Which is what everyone has said, show weakness and they
will exploit it.
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