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Old 20th Sep 2013, 14:29
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Wink Of mice, men...and cats

According to this BBC report:
Mice 'can lose innate fear of cats'
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Reading further down, it appears that the bacteria responsible for the mices' loss of fear etc. are in fact most importantly, secreted in the faeces of the felines which the mice for whatever reasons tend to munch on.

I'm just wondering, "as someone who believes that cats are great" today, (though as a child I preferred dogs), whether or not these bacteria transmitted to mice may also have affected my own sensibilities somehow...?

I did ask one of my current pudicats for her opinions on the subject. She sort of gave me a yawn before going back to sleep. Perhaps she has an answer, but that will have to wait obviously.

But this latest research does intrigue me to the extent that some chemicals / pheremones etc. might well have important affects on us humans, mostly unknown to this day. Not too worrying when it comes to felines perhaps - "we're already their servants after all?"

And no wonder that when GIs get home after many months of service far away, YouTube has numerous videos of dogs "welcoming back" their carers / masters of the households etc. But very few (or zero) of cats doing same. I'm thinking that our cats know something that we're only just beginning to understand (perhaps worried now that some secrets may be unfolding). And dogs remain completely ignorant of...
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Old 20th Sep 2013, 14:31
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A late evening homecoming after five days in London
By my door waits the little black cat
Wild after three years of feeding, it still runs from me
But once I caught it
and sat it on my lap
and stroked it
and it crouched down and quietly purred
But next day it had forgotten, and ran from me again.
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Old 20th Sep 2013, 15:07
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A very nice (may I call it a poem?) OFSO. Alas, I have the same problem with one of my other pudicats - finally caught him and had him castrated, tried for 1 month in July 2010 to get him used to us and living in apartment with "volets closed"...?! Nowadays comes to eat every night (and visit his protégé and friend Grey Kitten whom he once raised), but prefers to live an independent and wild existence (I understand the discrepancies involved - when he comes down to eat, he expects to find fresh chicken mince and fillet portions, some Whiskas, fresh milk and croquettes ). But he's a cat, and you either love or hate them. In the former case, you just make do.

Let me get this straight: Whatever bacteria etc. is contained in pudicats' feaces have probably already infested my brain...?! Which is why I have this sudden urge to delete this thread. Pudicat is awakening from her slumbers. It's Friday isn't it? Which means "fresh-prawns" does it not? So log-out of PPRuNe and get out the suitably-chilled prawns if you know what's good for you? That's right, squeeze off their heads, peel-away their shells, leaving just the juicy tails, torn-down to suitably-sized pudicat-sized portions...

Someone, please help me escape...?!
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Don't be daft airship, stay and continue to update us on matters feline.
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Old 20th Sep 2013, 15:33
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I have had a Chinese Parliament with my Crew of three, Commodore Frady (former ship's cat and sniffer of all things), Sissy....my very lady like Siamese, and Gabby the Talker and shoulder warmer.

They allowed their devoted efforts to examine Mice in every manner possible met with the decision that said mice, moles, and other furry varmits, resolved around their being fine feline feed.

Gabby is quite serious about displaying the experiments.....Sissy is above such juvenile shows of enthusiasm.....and the Commodore simply is not amused by such dither.

During the Crew Meeting....I refreshed their acquaintance with the SOP that bars introduction of Snakes into the Accommodation Block. That is a recurring practice here as there are some varieties of shoulderless critters that really are not welcome despite the Crew's desire to display all hunting trophies to the culinary staff.
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Old 20th Sep 2013, 15:44
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You bet. Absolutely.

How Your Cat Is Making You Crazy - Kathleen McAuliffe - The Atlantic
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Airship, you have to be realistic. Would you want to live with someone who'd had you castrated? However, continue to love them, there is a satisfaction, even if they only respond when it suits them. It's the nature of the beast.
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Think I may call my new cat Toxo or Flegr.
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Upon reflection....if my Cat's poop is filled with Rodent carcasses.....why shouldn't other Rodents not connect said Poop with the Depositor being related to them....even if at some distance.
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Would you want to live with someone who'd had you castrated?

It's called a WIFE, Shack, a WIFE. Gee you should have learned that at your age. I have.

However, continue to love them, there is a satisfaction, even if they only respond when it suits them. It's the nature of the beast.

That is so very true. And the same applies to cats, also.

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In a fit of impishness, I called my last cat Rover, and he returned the compliment.
In a fit of impishness, he did.
Ain't seen him since.

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Old 20th Sep 2013, 20:56
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when it comes to felines perhaps - "we're already their servants after all?"

Each to their own. Not round these parts; cats aren't welcome here, for a number of reasons.
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Knowing his love of cats, I'm surprised Milo hasn't shown up yet
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I'm like you Shy although it is harder to keep them at bay.

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I'm like you Shy although it is harder to keep them at bay.
The dogs here hate cats. I don't hate them but I'm allergic and I dislike their habits.
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Old 20th Sep 2013, 21:52
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um . . .. . lifting ,. . .. . . .. .. that's a brilliant piece of reporting from The Atlantic.

That toxoplasma gondii organism, if as prevalent as Jaroslav Flegr's research would indicate, goes a long way to explaining the irrational behaviour of many whose lives are closely wrapped up with the feline, as in domestic cats.

A high level of personal hygiene may be the first line of defence for those who cannot or will not rid their homes of the risk.

how convenient though. For my oddities that some have labelled
schizoid, I can now blame a long line of adored cats.

pretty suggestive stuff to give to cat loving hypochondriacs to read

The Atlantic article ends -

Twelve of the 44 schizophrenia patients who underwent MRI scans, the team found, had reduced gray matter in the brain—and the decrease occurred almost exclusively in those who tested positive for T. gondii. After reading the abstract, I must have look stunned, because Flegr smiles and says, “Jiri had the same response. I don’t think he believed it could be true.” When I later speak with Horacek, he admits to having been sceptical about Flegr’s theory at the outset. When they merged the MRI results with the infection data, however, he went from being a doubter to being a believer. “I was amazed at how pronounced the effect was,” he says. “To me that suggests the parasite may trigger schizophrenia in genetically susceptible people.”
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One has to wonder if there is not perhaps a bit of chicken and egg going on there. The looniest furniture chewers I dated had pretty much to a woman never kept a cat, while those who did have cats were relatively normal by comparison.
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Old 21st Sep 2013, 13:27
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Um... lifting..., what a fascinating article in your link. Goes far beyond anything I ever imagined when posting this thread.

And easily explains almost everything (bad) that's afflicted humanity over the past several hundred years at least. And no wonder that my pudicat chooses to remain silent (preferring to feign sleepiness)...

Did Hitler like pudicats? What about Stalin? Or the Serbians? Or Sadaam Hussein? Or Gaddafi? Or Syria's -Al Bashar? And maybe it's why gays are gay? Or paedophiles are pedos?

What it does undoubtedly show is the infancy of modern psychiatric medicine, treatment and research and their so-called experts, who regularly partake in 10s of thousands of incarcerations each year worldwide, in conspiracy with the courts.

Smoking is bad for you. That's why we make you pay so much in taxes to continue to enjoy your bad habits. We could (might well be able to) "cure you" with sufficient investment and research perhaps, but it's much more lucrative for the government to simply tax you upto the hilt when it comes to your vices. As someone who likes cats, surely you can understand when your government prefers to ignore you, just like your cats...
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My two Burmese sister cats would never lower themselves to actually EAT a mouse - or a vole - or a shrew. They either kill them and leave them outside, or bring them into the house alive to enable the humans to learn how to catch such things. Or on one occasion, leave three mouse corpses on the fireplace surround. Cat food is accepted, but roast lamb/pork/turkey/chicken/ham/beef is preferred. Haslet and tuna are also happily accepted.
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The first cat café has opened in the Marais, Paris, today, where human patrons can stroke etc. one of nine cats donated to the café by a local animal shelter. The cats are all happy with strangers and are free to come and go. To anyone who knows the Marais, the Jewish Quarter, with its quiet and narrow streets, this makes good sense. Although I do wonder if it will be a case of nine tomorrow and ninety next year......

(Jewish mice, you have been warned !)
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