Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > PPRuNe Social > Jet Blast
Reload this Page >

More insanity !

Jet Blast Topics that don't fit the other forums. Rules of Engagement apply.

More insanity !

Old 1st Aug 2013, 10:59
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Newcastle/UK
Posts: 1,473
More insanity !

Watched this irem on th news this morning,wtf is going on in this bloody country.
Police won't hand stolen caravan back to couple to protect human rights of the travellers living in it | Mail Online
tony draper is offline  
Old 1st Aug 2013, 11:13
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Asgard
Posts: 487
When I saw that on local TV, I had to leave the room to calm down. Bonkers, completely and hopelessly outrageous.
Loki is offline  
Old 1st Aug 2013, 11:16
  #3 (permalink)  
short flights long nights
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Posts: 2,900
Every time I think I have seen it all............
SOPS is offline  
Old 1st Aug 2013, 11:25
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: In the circuit
Posts: 177
Whilst not disagreeing with the sentiments above, and it is ridiculous that the people living in it cannot be turfed out and the caravan returned, a couple of points stand out from reading the article:

The owners were between insurance policies when the theft occurred, so cannot claim for the loss, and I'm not sure how secure the secure storage site is from looking at the photograph.

These days the only way to play this game is to take every possible security precaution and ensure that you are insured at all times or you will lose out in the event of theft. Crazy, but true.

Last edited by Groundbased; 1st Aug 2013 at 11:27.
Groundbased is offline  
Old 1st Aug 2013, 11:43
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: The Luberon
Age: 67
Posts: 896
"Between insurance policies".

i.e....they either forgot, neglected or decided not to insure it
sitigeltfel is offline  
Old 1st Aug 2013, 11:48
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: The Green Heart of Europe!
Age: 60
Posts: 231
Surely that's rather beside the point.

The total lunacy surrounds the fact that the stolen caravan was found and can't be returned for ridiculous pc reasons.
CargoMatatu is offline  
Old 1st Aug 2013, 12:02
  #7 (permalink)  
Paid...Persona Grata
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Between BHX and EMA
Age: 73
Posts: 236
Pikeys - what napalm was invented for.

UFO
UniFoxOs is offline  
Old 1st Aug 2013, 12:02
  #8 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Newcastle/UK
Posts: 1,473
Isn't receiving stolen property a crime now?
tony draper is offline  
Old 1st Aug 2013, 12:04
  #9 (permalink)  
Paid...Persona Grata
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Between BHX and EMA
Age: 73
Posts: 236
Well apparently you can't be arrested for it (while the owner recovers the 'van).
UniFoxOs is offline  
Old 1st Aug 2013, 12:07
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Patterson, NY
Age: 62
Posts: 436
No, Tony D, receiving stolen property is no longer a crime as it would be detrimental to the psychological well-being of the receiver to designate it as a crime. Thieves have human rights too you know. How heartless of you to think otherwise.
rgbrock1 is offline  
Old 1st Aug 2013, 12:25
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: West Wiltshire, UK
Age: 66
Posts: 369
I too saw this on the news last night and had a "WTF moment".

Reminded me of the time my estranged wife took my car. The police refused to intervene, saying it was a domestic, plus the car itself needed a lot of work for its next MOT (it was a souped up Mini Cooper). A mate and I decided that the thing to do was remove all the nice bits from it (alloy wheels, Corbeau seats, recently rebuilt engine, etc) in the middle of the night. We duly drove over to the remote rural house where estranged wife was staying, and after a few hours (very quiet) work left just the shell of the car sitting on blocks by the side of the lane...................

It occurred to me that if I was the owner of that caravan I'd be inclined to hire a couple of balaclava-wearing heavies to steal it back. I doubt the police would be able to charge them with anything at all, as stealing back one's own property can't be a criminal offence, can it?
VP959 is online now  
Old 1st Aug 2013, 12:30
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Patterson, NY
Age: 62
Posts: 436
VP959 wrote:

as stealing back one's own property can't be a criminal offence, can it?
Well, dunno about over yonder but O.J. Simpson received a sentence of over 30 years for doing just that: stealing back his own property. Problem was, he and his cohorts did so armed. Which then makes it armed robbery, even if the stuff was his anyway.
rgbrock1 is offline  
Old 1st Aug 2013, 12:40
  #13 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: In transit
Age: 66
Posts: 3,059
as stealing back one's own property can't be a criminal offence, can it?
When I took back property from an ex-GF in SA I was accused of theft. I went round to her house, the maid let me in, so there was no forced entry, and I found the stuff (credit card, camera, money, cheque book) and took it. However, the magistrates threw the charge out and the slut ended up being charged with fraudulent use of my credit card.
Capetonian is offline  
Old 1st Aug 2013, 13:05
  #14 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: In the circuit
Posts: 177
It does seem counter intuitive, because as I understand it (and the article says) if I bought a car in good faith and it turned out to be stolen it would be taken from me with no recompense. I don't think it would matter if I was living in it at the time! Why does the same not apply here?
Groundbased is offline  
Old 1st Aug 2013, 13:05
  #15 (permalink)  
Nemo Me Impune Lacessit
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Derbyshire, England.
Posts: 4,042
"Between insurance policies" is, or can be, a bit misleading, if you have a policy reaching it's expiry date but don't indicate your intention to cancel and all previous premiums are paid up then the underwriter will usually keep you "held covered" until a new or renewed policy is put in place.

"between insurance policies" suggests to me that they were uninsured. Still no excuse for the police though.
parabellum is offline  
Old 1st Aug 2013, 14:34
  #16 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: UK
Posts: 464
I can only think of two mitigating factors:

1. It's in the Daily Mail
2. There surely must be something else going on here?

So, on the face of it, not much. I think the 'owners' have grounds against the police. Unfortunately, if successful, any compensation will come from us, the taxpayers. As usual any stupid decision by a government employee is paid for by the taxpayer.

The insurance issue is irrelevant to the argument, except to the owners who appear to have lost their caravan.
Flap 5 is offline  
Old 1st Aug 2013, 14:37
  #17 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Brazil
Posts: 67
So, if it had been insured, they should have taken the money, bought a new one and let the rabble keep the other? The insurance probably wouldn't have covered the refinements they made to the caravan.

Not being insured doesn't make it more "available" for theft.
belfrybat is offline  
Old 1st Aug 2013, 14:52
  #18 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: The Luberon
Age: 67
Posts: 896
There was a case a number of years ago of a farmer who saw his horse box being towed out of his yard. After calling the police he contacted an aircraft airborne from a nearby farm strip and the pilot followed the vehicles to a pikey site.
The police were informed but they refused to go onto the site, citing lack of resources (scared). By the time they had mustered sufficient "resources", two days later, surprise surprise, the horse box had gone!
sitigeltfel is offline  
Old 1st Aug 2013, 15:07
  #19 (permalink)  

More than just an ATCO
 
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: Up someone's nose
Age: 70
Posts: 1,768
Can't they obtain a CCJ against the pikeys and send the bailiffs in?
Lon More is offline  
Old 1st Aug 2013, 15:11
  #20 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: In transit
Age: 66
Posts: 3,059
What do you call a key that can open any lock?

A pikey.
Capetonian is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us Archive Advertising Cookie Policy Privacy Statement Terms of Service

Copyright 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.