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Old 28th Jul 2013, 09:24
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More arrests as veteran green activists dominate village 'fracking' protest - Telegraph

Don't these people have better things to do? Even the villagers concerned have stated their unease about it being hijacked. They just seem to move around from one protest to the next. Why? Hugged enough/not enough as a child? SWMBO says most of them come from well off families, is this unresolved teenage angst against daddy?
It would seem that they want us to live by candle light, move around by horse and cart and die of disease early. So back to the middle ages then.
This is not a thread against fracking, (personally i think its a good idea) but these unwashed prats.
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Old 28th Jul 2013, 09:31
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Old 28th Jul 2013, 09:53
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It's a difficult one to resolve, simply because who would want any kind of oil industry on their doorstep possibly ruining the environment and water table, more so if the area is a lovely rural environment. That said, we ALL need and use energy at ever increasing rates and that has to come from somewhere. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few ? I wouldn't be happy if I were one of the villagers btw.



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Old 28th Jul 2013, 10:07
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Fracking might be relatively safe, if done carefully, with the right procedures. However, as someone who relies on a private borehole as the only available water supply, and having read of the problem in the US where irresponsible fracking has seriously contaminated ground water, making it unusable, I share the concerns expressed by the demonstrators (even if I think they are wasting their time in this case).

The problem with fracking is that it has a poor history, one where irresponsible companies have cut corners and buggered up the environment, more or less permanently. We have evidence here in the UK that oil companies can drill onshore in environmentally sensitive areas and not cause significant damage (Wytch Farm, in Dorset, for example). However, I don't trust Cuadrilla, and generally feel pretty uncomfortable about the whole fracking thing, especially in the south of the UK, where a great deal of our water is supplied from boreholes.

If the aquifer that my borehole draws from gets contaminated by the activity of frackers miles away (which is a distinct possibility), then I would have no water supply, and would have to resort to getting tanker deliveries. In effect, the frackers could make my house uninhabitable, which is a reason to be concerned.
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Old 28th Jul 2013, 10:34
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Old 28th Jul 2013, 10:45
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If the aquifer that my borehole draws from gets contaminated by the activity of frackers miles away (which is a distinct possibility), then I would have no water supply, and would have to resort to getting tanker deliveries.
I have read that this is next to impossible and is a lie put out by the opposition. Fracking is carried out thousands of feet below the water=table: the pollution in the USA ( lighting water from a domestic-tap is an oft-shown example ) was supposedly from a totally unconnected source.*

The apparently huge increase in domestic supplies would be an enormous boost to domestic industry and national wealth, as well as reducing our dependancy on ME regimes ( hence might reduce political and industrial corruption )

* This was just one article. If anyone knows of authorative and neutral sources, I would like to read more.

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Old 28th Jul 2013, 11:09
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Fracking is carried out thousands of feet below the water table
But the water table has to be penetrated to get to it. What happens if a pipe or joint fails in that layer, or if excess pumping pressure forces material from below up the outside of the pipe?

Accidental spills on land or sea can be cleaned up, albeit at vast cost as BP can testify. But how can you ever clean up a polluted aquifer?
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Here's the Final Report issued by the Royal Society:

Final report - Shale gas extraction | Royal Society

It mentions:

The health, safety and environmental risks can be managed effectively in the UK. Operational best practices must be implemented and enforced through strong regulation.

It also concludes by pointing out that:

Policymaking would benefit from further research. The carbon footprint of shale gas extraction needs further research. Further benefit would also be derived from research into the public acceptability of shale gas extraction and use in the context of the UK’s energy, climate and economic policies.
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Yeh yeh ... and nuclear power was going to be non polluting, safe, and so cheap to produce as to be almost free.
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These Greenies wont be happy 'til we're back living in caves.
The funny thing is that these people are the must useless gits alive when it comes to self sufficiency and looking after themselves. However they are just the type I want around in a doomsday scenario because they are invariably pacifists or suck so badly when it comes to handling weapons that taking their stuff to look after myself and my family will be easy as pie...
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Old 28th Jul 2013, 12:29
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These Greenies wont be happy 'til we're back living in caves.

At which point in future time, as predicted by HG Wells, cave men will feast upon the dismembered corpses of the Greenies, the Eloi of the future, who should be encouraged to bred and multiply in order to secure the food supply for the generations of Morlock cave dwellers to come.
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Old 28th Jul 2013, 13:01
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I remember a rather good description about the Australian Greens (Watermelons) Party.

Dig nothing up.

Chop nothing down,

Build absolutely nothing anywhere near anything,

And walk to the Social Security Office to collect your dole cheque and go home to freeze in the dark.
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Very good indeed. A suitable description.


I will say however that they now build things - dirty great big wind turbines
all over the countryside, ruining views etc.
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it will be interesting to see what happens when they decide to try extracting the gas from the shale under Bowland and the Yorkshire Dales. Thats going to cause a lot of environmental angst.

And don't forget we've already had one inadvertent shale gas explosion, though nobody realised it: the Abbeystead explosion of 1984 in which methane was vented into a new water pipeline. The Bowland Shale underlies the whole area

Abbeystead disaster - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Oh yes, 500N, quite correct. Which also produce power about three to four times as expensive as anything else, provided the wind is blowing over about 5kts but not above, I'm told 20 kts, (standing by to be corrected) otherwise they have to be shut down.

I have an aquaintance who owns property in the mid north of South Australia and some Neighbouring properties have permitted those verdammtes things to be constructed on their land but he refuses to have anything to do with them, even though he would do qute well if he agreed to have them on his land. "Purely on principle" was the term he used to me.

And yes; He is one of a rare breed!

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I drive from Melbourne to SA, not quite where your friend is
but Naracoorte and environs which is just across the border.

On the way, in two places beautiful rolling hills and views
have been ruined by strings of white turbines.


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I forgot to add, the Greenies always leave a mess after a protest,
they have no concept of only leave footprints and only take photos.
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Fracking is carried out thousands of feet below the water table
But the water table has to be penetrated to get to it. What happens if a pipe or joint fails in that layer, or if excess pumping pressure forces material from below up the outside of the pipe?

Accidental spills on land or sea can be cleaned up, albeit at vast cost as BP can testify. But how can you ever clean up a polluted aquifer?
Precisely. If you've been up close and personal with a drill rig (I have, when our hole was drilled) then you'll know first hand how the process works and how it is technically very difficult to ensure that the bore is sealed all the way down through the strata, some of which may well be clean water abstraction aquifers.

The liner goes in after a section has been drilled, and is then pressure grouted, to seal it. If done carefully and precisely this process works OK, but if mistakes are made, and the bore pressurised to fracking pressure when there are leaks or voids through the liner or grout then there is a significant risk of ground water contamination.

Unlike drilling for oil, where the pressures are generally low and the drill mud is fairly non-polluting, the stuff used to fracture rock in the fracking process ends up contaminated with oil products, and these can then find their way into aquifers if the casing and grout are damaged.

The main issue is the one of the pressures involved. Unlike most other drilling processes, fracking relies on pumping extremely high pressure fluid into the bore, at pressures around 300,000 psi. The fluid itself usually contains a mix of acid/alcohol/polymers and isn't particularly harmful on its own, but clearly isn't what you might want accidentally forced into a low pressure aquifer if the pipe casing gets damaged.

Done responsibly (read expensively) then I am pretty sure that the risks are low. However, history shows that the oil and gas industry are far from responsible on occasion, and have created some pretty enormous environmental disasters over the years.

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Hydraulic fracturing of rock formations has been employed for decades.

The risks to the water table mentioned in SallyAnn's scenario exist in conventional O&G production, and have been well understood for decades as well. These risks have been mitigated through multiple casings, etc. on tens of thousands of wells.

What is new, and completely revolutionary, is the ability to drill horizontally and recover trapped gas and oil in long, horizontal shale formations. This horizontal drilling technology (pioneered by George Mitchell and other brilliant innovators) is the key to unlocking 100 more years of cheap, clean natural gas for power generation and transport.

One suspects just a bit of politics involved when governments prohibit a practice that is decades old, well known, and well understood.

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CathayBrat what would you prefer?

1) Village idiots in Balcombe VS. multi-national corporate interests + corrupt politicians at all levels + "independent" studies and resources from the general media.

2) Village idiots in Balcombe + activists VS. multi-national corporate interests + corrupt politicians at all levels + "independent" studies and resources from the general media.

If these corporate entities really do see no danger in their intended operations, then please ask them to convert all their limited liability companies involved, into entities which will hold all share-holders fully-liable, including 100% of their personal assets...?!

Otherwise, they should perhaps FRACK OFF?!

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Old 28th Jul 2013, 15:19
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I remember a rather good description about the Australian Greens (Watermelons) Party.

Dig nothing up.

Chop nothing down,

Build absolutely nothing anywhere near anything,

And walk to the Social Security Office to collect your dole cheque and go home to freeze in the dark, while complaining that the government didn't provide them with enough electricity and fuel to keep the lights and heat on.
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