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Old 30th Jul 2013, 12:24
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Having seen what purports to be your photo and having read of your chronic illness, I'm sure that whatever supply you have, will -as they say - last you out.
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Old 30th Jul 2013, 12:24
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What would be wrong with "fracturing".

Probably avoided deliberately because it evokes what can happen to legs or crankshafts or whatever, and is usually bad news.
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Old 30th Jul 2013, 12:36
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What would be wrong with "fracturing"
Nothing, but I'm guessing that, as in most industries, people involved liked to invent jargon that identifies them as an "insider"
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Old 30th Jul 2013, 12:46
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I meant imported from a foreign language with different pronounciation
Exactly......
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Old 30th Jul 2013, 12:54
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Fracking should be carried out in the North East, says Tory peer - Journal Live
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Old 30th Jul 2013, 13:03
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Just pour Newcastle Brown down the hole. That will bring up the gas.
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Old 30th Jul 2013, 13:57
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Strong sentiments from Lord Howell, but why has he overlooked our traditional testing-ground
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Old 30th Jul 2013, 15:58
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Hast the Lord Howell of Guildford fully-declared all his personal interests in the matter? Including any affiliations or conflicts of interests associated with his children, other family members, close associates, benefactors, fellow members of either Houses of Parliament etc.?!

Simply, that it appears that Lord Howell of Guildford is "gung-ho" for exploitation including fracking in Scotland, whatever the risks. Apparently almost regardless of whether or not it would be safe for other parts of the UK including southern England...?! Did I get that right...?!
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Old 30th Jul 2013, 16:25
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fracking derives directly from fracture which is English and follows normal practice of modifying any derivative so that it resembles the source word in sound.
And which is pronounced frack-ture not frash-ture.

I might also mention beacon, deacon, meaconing, pecan, pica, picaroon, racoon, recall, recant, recap, recast, ricochet, rictus (another old Latin word), roc, sac, sacerdotal, seclude, second, secret...... etc

So there is no need to add a K to make a hard C, there are numerous other examples in the gloriously inconsistent English language.

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Old 30th Jul 2013, 16:55
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Not very many in the UK since the daughter of Grantham closed most of the pits.
as posted here: http://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/5120...r-dead-36.html

Perhaps you need to look at some other things you choose to ignore;

Mining Job losses;

Wilson Govt 64-70, 238,000 (average for term 34,000 per year)
Thatcher Govt 79-90, 193,000 (average for term 17,500 per year)

Pit closures;

Wilson Govt 64-70, 287 (average for term - 41 per year)
Thatcher Govt 79-90, 154 (average for term -14 per year)

https://www.gov.uk/government/statis...n-1853-to-2011


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Old 30th Jul 2013, 17:43
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It would seem his Lordship has refracted ( sorry.... ) his original viewpoint

BBC News - Peer Lord Howell apologises over 'desolate' North East remark

Nice to see that old loyalties remain strong however...

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Old 30th Jul 2013, 18:04
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Indeed Komrade: North / South divide: why is Labour promoting this damaging view? | Workers Of England Union




On the 17th September, the IPPR North is involved in organising an event entitled ‘Cafe Politique: The north-south divide – myth or reality?’. This event comes straight after the Hannah Mitchell Foundation has called for a Northern Parliament and Ed Jacobs, a devolution correspondent for the centre-left political and policy blog Left Foot Forward wrote about the North and South of England representing different places.

Also recently on a number of occasions Labour political thinkers and policy makers have indicated that they might benefit from a Parliament in the North. They claim that the north of England has more in common with Scotland than the south of England.
This is a worrying development for the English nation and it is a rekindling of regionalisation by the Labour party. Labour may have abandoned talking about 9 regions but are now proposing splitting England into two regions. Having failed to get a democratic mandate to break England into 9 regions they have gone back to the drawing board and appear resolved to start the process again. Be warned! If successful this will mean (as Charles Kennedy once advocated) the destruction of ‘the idea of England itself’
Continually highlighting London’s political and economic control of England is a very short sighted argument if they honestly want to save the UK from dissolution. Yet Labour continues to highlight London’s centralised control. By doing this Labour have finally placed their cards on the table; by attempting to manufacture a north / south divide themselves they have shown that power means more to them than what is best for the country. They are stirring up division.
To create their own Northern Kingdom they need a north/south divide to exist, so what do they do? First they debate it. Second they fund research that shows its existence. Finally they make a policy to resolve the issue. In New labour terms you ‘spin a divide’.

All the meanwhile Mr Milibean is spouting his 'one nation' soundbite..

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Old 30th Jul 2013, 20:21
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The North South divide from the Tory point of view

George Osborne's father-in-law has apologised after telling a shocked House of Lords fracking should happen in the North East because it is filled with "desolate areas".

Lord Howell of Guildford, whose daughter Frances is married to the Chancellor, claimed the controversial form of gas production could take place in the North East without any impact on the surrounding environment.

Environmental campaigners called the declaration "jaw-dropping" and Labour claimed it was further proof that the Tories are "out of touch" with ordinary Britons.

The Tory peer, who was energy secretary under Margaret Thatcher, argued that the same approach on fracking should not be taken in all regions.

"Would you accept that it could be a mistake to think of and discuss fracking in terms of the whole of the United Kingdom in one go?," he said at Lords Questions.

"I mean there obviously are, in beautiful natural areas, worries about not just the drilling and the fracking, which I think are exaggerated, but about the trucks, and the delivery, and the roads, and the disturbance, and those about justified worries."

He added: "But there are large and uninhabited and desolate areas, certainly in part of the North East where there's plenty of room for fracking, well away from anybody's residence where we could conduct without any kind of threat to the rural environment."
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Old 30th Jul 2013, 21:33
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Strong sentiments from Lord Howell, but why has he overlooked our traditional testing-ground
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Did small fracs onshore Scotland 25 years ago.
I notice the population has yet to die off.
The formation offshore in the N Sea is generally too soft and porous to be worth a frac job.
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Old 30th Jul 2013, 21:39
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The billions of tons of perfectly good coal in the N/E will be easy to drill through though.
Just had a idea, I bet if you dug that coal up then baked it in large ovens you could persuade said coal to produce gas.
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Old 30th Jul 2013, 21:59
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What would be wrong with "fracturing".
Nothing, but I'm guessing that, as in most industries, people involved liked to invent jargon that identifies them as an "insider"
From the first time I was involved with drilling (1968) the process was always referred to as a 'frac', as in, 'we'll be doing a 'frac' job on well XXX tomorrow'.

Or even better when one had an interest in the well, 'Holy crapola, after the 'frac' we're flowing 15,000,000 cubic feet of gas a day!"

Then on the other hand when one wished he didn't have an interest in the well, "Crap, we fraced the well and it stopped flowing."

Heard that last one a few times as well.

By the way, on deep wells, those deeper than 10,000 feet, it is very unusual to have to frac, they are usualy self flowing.

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Old 30th Jul 2013, 22:04
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I bet if you dug that coal up then baked it in large ovens you could persuade said coal to produce gas
Somewhere in the back of whatever is left of my memory I think someone wanted to drill lots of holes into the coal beds and then get them to burn (or at least char) which since it would happen in a very oxygen-poor environment would result in an output of a mix of released coal-gas and carbon monoxide, which could be drawn off and the CO separated out and converted into something-or-other via some magical chemical transformation using a catalyst- the something-or-other (methanol? ethanol?) could then be used as a fuel.

I think it got nowhere because even us dumb British sheep might go "nay" instead of "baa" when the idea of lots of underground burning coal was suggested to us.
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Old 30th Jul 2013, 22:14
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I suggested that home made geothermal heat many year ago on this very forum Mr GT,one needs to be carefull typing one's brilliant ideas on prune some buggah will pinch em and claim the credit.
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Old 30th Jul 2013, 23:02
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" I think someone wanted to drill lots of holes into the coal beds and then get them to burn (or at least char) "

There were two theoretical suggested ways of doing this
One was to pass superheated steam down into the coal seam and "burn" the coal to get back a mix of hydrogen and carbon monoxide
You'd get a lot of other hydrocarbons, and organosulphur products as unburnt impurities.
Not the same as passing limited quantities of air over coal to produce just carbon monoxide "producer gas" - as used in traditional town gas plants

The other was to burn the coal in-situ with a limited amount of oxygen, in the hope the coal tars could be melted and then pumped out. From memory the idea was to burn around 20% of the coal, and hope the heat generated would be enough to distil the coal tars off the rest. If memory serves correctly, the plan was to burn along an advancing flame front with oxygen pumped out the rear, and the coal tars drawn from the coal in front of the flame front.

Both would be bloody filthy things to do, potential environmental disasters

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Old 30th Jul 2013, 23:05
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I believe that there is at least one underground coal fire burning 'uncontrolled'.
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