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Old 10th Jul 2013, 11:50
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Russian inquiry to UN: Rebels, not Army, behind Syria Aleppo sarin attack ? RT News

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If there is any truth to these Russian claims then it would be interesting to learn which part of the rebel factions used these chemical weapons and where they got them from.

If it proves to be Al Qaeda............
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rg, the most likely source is from stocks in one of the Syrian military bases someon overran. However, that isn't the only possible source.
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It made no sense whatsoever for the Government forces to use a chemical weapon,apart from the fact they didn't need to they had plenty of conventional ordinance and the means to deliver it, it was the logical thing to do for the rebel forces and blame it on the Government, bearing in mind the threats from that bloke in the white house about red lines and such.
As it turned out the ploy was a futile exercise anyway.
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Tony D:

It also made no sense for the Iraqi government of Saddam Hussein to use chemical munitions on the Kurds. But they did anyway.
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Saddam was not under the microscope 25 years ago in the same way that Assad is now. The political environment is significantly different, as is the increased speed of rumor and news in the internet age. remember, Saddam was not operating in the internet age in the mid 80's.

rg, your response doesn't fit the scenario.

I agree with tony. The rebels had the most to gain by getting some of that stuff out into the field and then blaming Assad, particularly after the tasty bait of President Obama's red line was offered.

It's almost as though Obama was trying to set up the conditions for chem weapons to go off, so he could blame Assad. (Yes, that sounds a bit like a conspiracy theory, but it also sounds like strategy in a Machiavellian attitude toward international affairs. )
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Indeed, if at the scene of a crime with two suspects and no clues the tradition is to ask yourself 'Cui bono' who benefits.
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I misunderstood Tony's premise. Yes the rebels, or some faction thereof, had the most to gain. It's which faction that may have done this which is extremely worrisome.
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Would anyone expect a different outcome from the Russian investigation? Just the same, I don't trust the Obama administration to give us the truth.
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How are chemical weapons normally deployed? mortar round? artillery shell? ,got to be some way to provide a bit of distance betwixt sender and reciever,lump of semtex strapped to a shell?
The loyalties of the victims give no hint either as neither side appear to give a toss about civilians casualties.
Our chaps found in favour of the rebel's innocence because that is what their masters wanted to hear and likewise Ivans found in favour of Assad for the same reason.
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Tony D:

Back in the day, and I'm sure it's probably changed, the preferred method of chemical munitions delivery, for the U.S. anyway, was via bombs, artillery shells and other types of warheads.

There are, of course, other methods of delivery: spray tanks, etc.
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Lookes like Cameron has had thump around the cranium with 'the reality stick'

David Cameron warned arming Syrian rebels could embroil Britain in all-out war - Telegraph
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Astonishing that, despite her rather dowdy external appearance, there beats in Samantha Cameron's chest cavity, the heart of a war monger.
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Samantha Cameron's chest cavity, the heart of a war monger
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A worse day than usual there.

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Syria's darkest hour: Hundreds of children's bodies piled high after nerve gas attack near Damascus leaves up to 1,300 dead | Mail Online
A UN team is in Syria to probe chemical weapons use by President Assad
misinformation !
Must be:
A UN team is in Syria to probe chemical weapons use by President Assad or rebels
The press is no more free .. we know this ..

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The use of chemical weapons would be a game-changer in Syria, as noted by some of the earlier posters on this forum.

I, for one, cannot see the Syrian government using these weapons. They are slowly gaining the upper hand; they don't need to use them in the present conflict as they have more than enough conventional weapons; they know that their use will provoke an international intervention; they know that their limited supporters will abandon them (with the possible exception of Iran); they also know their removal from power will massively destabilise the region. I can, however, see some of the rebel groups being willing to use such weapons and blame the Syrian government for all of the above-mentioned reasons.

It would certainly help if some of the hysterical media, who accept unquestionably their western government's comic book analyses of middle eastern events, took a deep breath and looked behind the facade. Like most events in the region, the truth is far more complicated and not able to be explained in a 30 second sound bite.
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UN: Investigation needed into Syria chemical attack report ? RT News
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I never thought I'd find myself saying it, but in regard to Syria, I find myself saying "Thank God for the Russians and Chinese." Without them, the incredibly simplistic reading of the situation there blindly accepted by the Obama Administration would be accepted as holy writ.

Assad and the people who work for him are definitely not nice people, but for every minority group in Syria (i.e., everyone who is not Sunni Muslim), he and his henchmen are infinitely preferable to the crazies Barak Obama seems hellbent on replacing him with.

If the rebels win, the West will see a GENUINE refugee flood of proportions not seen since the Muslims won in that very same area almost 1000 years ago. And thanks to the many thousands of not so genuine economic refugees who have preceded them to the West over the last decade, the West will be unable - or at least unwilling - to accept them.

I really think that in the long run, Barak Obama will be seen by historians, at the very least as a modern day Neville Chamberlain on steroids - and at the worst, as a fifth columnist and destroyer from within of the worst order.
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