Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > PPRuNe Social > Jet Blast
Reload this Page >

The Grammar Nazis...

Jet Blast Topics that don't fit the other forums. Rules of Engagement apply.

The Grammar Nazis...

Old 7th Feb 2013, 04:54
  #201 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 57
Posts: 211
Damned Yorkshire chicks

What is it about the foreigners that they are all grammatical?

And the fact they come from Yorkshire?



Caco
Cacophonix is offline  
Old 7th Feb 2013, 13:40
  #202 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Spain
Age: 77
Posts: 487
13/14 on the grammar test. It seems that I don't know the difference between an active and a passive voice. The passive voice is rarely used in Spain . . . um - all right, I know that's no excuse!
Sunnyjohn is offline  
Old 7th Feb 2013, 22:12
  #203 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Australia
Posts: 405
The passive voice is rarely used in Spain
...except by you, Sunnyjohn.

Ricardian, that's the one. I couldn't let it go without finding out what a gerund really was.
Hydromet is offline  
Old 7th Feb 2013, 22:19
  #204 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Australia - South of where I'd like to be !
Age: 54
Posts: 4,245
What is it with grammar and spelling on PP.

Seem everyone has to go OTT and jump on
people.

Last edited by 500N; 7th Feb 2013 at 22:19.
500N is offline  
Old 7th Feb 2013, 22:25
  #205 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Spain
Age: 77
Posts: 487
I think you'll find that's the case on most forums. It certainly is on the University one that I used to moderate. Especially the English Language Forum - dear, oh, dear, did they get into some fights. Good experience for a moderator, though!
Sunnyjohn is offline  
Old 8th Feb 2013, 11:14
  #206 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Richmond NSW
Posts: 1,180
500N, this is a grammar thread after all. Those of us who had grammar literally beaten into us as kids, simply envy those who apparently did not.

Oops, Sunny! Shouldn't that be 'fora' ?

Last edited by gerry111; 8th Feb 2013 at 11:16.
gerry111 is offline  
Old 8th Feb 2013, 11:20
  #207 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Australia - South of where I'd like to be !
Age: 54
Posts: 4,245
gerry111

I was one of those who had it beaten into me at one of the
public schools just south of Peterborough.


Sunny
I can imagine that those forums would be fun
500N is offline  
Old 8th Feb 2013, 12:19
  #208 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: 59°09N 002°38W (IATA: SOY, ICAO: EGER)
Age: 75
Posts: 789
Hydromet - here's another Searle cartoon of a gerund attacking some peaceful pronouns.



And here's another Searle gem “Social snobbery. A gerund ‘cuts’ a gerundive”

ricardian is offline  
Old 9th Mar 2013, 23:21
  #209 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Not far from the edge of the Milky Way Galaxy in the Orion Arm.
Posts: 514
I try to speak as straight as I can, hoping that keeps me thinking straight; there's nothing so deadly as either believing your own BS or persuading others to do that.
Loved your post. there is a funny side and a serious side to it.

surely, you know when you are bullshitting and when you are not? Its like being serious or not.

For example, foxy chick presses her personalities onto your chest and asks if she can have a go flying your airliner - the fact you reply "anytime baby!" is bullshit, you would never let her near the goddamn cockpit.

real day real day, example number two, just informed 25 min delay expected, no probs, up pops a message telling you that a new leak detected will have you with dry tanks in about 20 mins - all of your words from that point on would hardly equate to bullshit unless that was your very first word as an exclamation!!!

easy, either you are pretending or you are not. Otherwise you are two bangers short of a bar-b-que,
Natstrackalpha is offline  
Old 9th Mar 2013, 23:34
  #210 (permalink)  
I'll mak siccar
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Tir nan Og
Posts: 282
The passive voice is probably a pain never heard in the plain in Spain.

By the way, how do we all feel about deponent verbs, not to mention Ne and Nonne questions, the sequence of tenses, and the epidemic difficulty in the English-speaking world with "may" and "might"?

Just asking.

Last edited by Davaar; 9th Mar 2013 at 23:40.
Davaar is offline  
Old 9th Mar 2013, 23:46
  #211 (permalink)  
RJM
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Orstralia
Posts: 295
Most people don't feel anything at all, Davaar. Just the bliss of ignorance.

Does it worry you that Latin's Second Periphrastic Construction has no counterpart in ordinary English?
RJM is offline  
Old 9th Mar 2013, 23:53
  #212 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: SW England
Age: 72
Posts: 3,562
By the way, how do we all feel about deponent verbs, not to mention Ne and Nonne questions,
I may have an opinion on this, Davaar

Then again I might not
Tankertrashnav is offline  
Old 10th Mar 2013, 00:03
  #213 (permalink)  

Official PPRuNe Chaplain
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Witnesham, Suffolk
Age: 75
Posts: 3,502
I found Ne and Nonne just a soupçon too much. I prefer Num.
Keef is offline  
Old 10th Mar 2013, 09:27
  #214 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: There and here
Posts: 1,612
Grammer/Grammar, the difference between knowing you're sh1t and knowing your sh1t


SHJ
SpringHeeledJack is offline  
Old 10th Mar 2013, 19:38
  #215 (permalink)  
I'll mak siccar
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Tir nan Og
Posts: 282
See youse! If I delved further I'd just expose my ignorance, so I leave it here; but. 'Twas so long ago.
Davaar is offline  
Old 10th Mar 2013, 20:36
  #216 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: 59°09N 002°38W (IATA: SOY, ICAO: EGER)
Age: 75
Posts: 789
ricardian is offline  
Old 10th Mar 2013, 22:08
  #217 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: 59°09N 002°38W (IATA: SOY, ICAO: EGER)
Age: 75
Posts: 789
ricardian is offline  
Old 11th Mar 2013, 09:34
  #218 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 57
As a special usage, the PURPOSE of the 'passive periphrastic' is to express obligation ('ought') or necessity ('must').

FORM: The second (passive) periphrastic construction is made up of the:

FUTURE PASSIVE PARTICIPLE + appropriate parts of the verb SUM, ESSE
(a.k.a. the gerundive)

PORTANDUS SUM I am to be carried. I must be carried.
PORTANDI ERAMUS We were to be carried. We had to be carried.
PORTANDAE ERITIS You will have to be carried.

PORTANDUS FUI I have had to be carried.
PORTANDUS FUERAM I had had to be carried.
PORTANDUS FUERO. I shall have had to be carried.

EXAMPLES:

NUNTIUS MITTENDUS EST
A messenger is to be sent.
A messenger must be sent.
A messenger ought to be sent.
A messenger should be sent.
A messenger has to be sent.

AQUA PORTANDA ERAT.
Water was to be carried.
Water ought to have been carried.
Water should have been carried.
Water had to be carried.

NOTE: This periphrastic construction is an alternative to using:

DEBUIT DICERE... He ought to have said (owed it to say)...
OPORTUIT VENIRE He ought to have come.
POTUIT VIDERE... He might have seen...
Erwin Schroedinger is offline  
Old 11th Mar 2013, 10:23
  #219 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 92
... well, NOW some of us really need to be carried!
probes is offline  
Old 11th Mar 2013, 11:24
  #220 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 1998
Location: Formerly of Nam
Posts: 1,595
Romanes Eunt Domus - Romanes They Go The House.


Erwin Schroedinger - Renaissance Man....and not just a gun, box, and cat owner!
Slasher is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us Archive Advertising Cookie Policy Privacy Statement Terms of Service

Copyright © 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.