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Royal Marines Charged with Murder

Old 14th Oct 2012, 19:59
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Royal Marines Charged with Murder

Five Royal Marines charged with murder following video footage discovery - Telegraph

A total of nine Royal Marines have now been arrested on suspicion of murder over the incident, with five of them remaining in custody after being charged.


Four have been released without charge pending further inquiries.

A spokesman for the Ministry of Defence this morning said: "The Royal Military Police (RMP) has arrested two further Royal Marines on suspicion of murder in relation to an incident alleged to have taken place in Afghanistan in 2011, taking the total number arrests to nine.

“Four Marines have since been released without charge pending further enquiries.


“The RMP has referred the cases of the remaining five Royal Marines to the independent Service Prosecuting Authority (SPA). Following direction from the SPA these marines have now been charged with murder and they remain in custody pending court proceedings.

The servicemen are understood to have been arrested after a video was discovered on a laptop belonging to a Royal Marine.

The clip appears to show members of a Royal Marine patrol standing around a Taliban fighter as he lay injured on the ground in a compound.
They were apparently discussing what to do with him and whether to administer first aid but the film is said to cut out before anything happens.
The Royal Military Police have confirmed the man died, sources told The Daily Telegraph.


Supposed to meet insurgent activity by throwing roses at them ?
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Old 14th Oct 2012, 20:07
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The things some people allow to be filmed!
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I thought the rule of law what was what separated us from the savage and the terrorist?

We don't really know what the detail is in this case. Let the investigation and justice prevail.

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Old 14th Oct 2012, 20:50
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I am fairly sure that on a serious charge such as this (doesn't get any more serious) these guys will be represented by counsel at a court martial, should it come to that. What level of counsel are they entitled to? If they want QCs or some other top barristers to defend them do they have to pay? Pretty unlikely that would be affordable. Think we need Flying Lawyer in on this one if he's still around.

fitliker - not these days they're not, with current ROE in operation. Not that I'm in any way saying it's easy for the guys out there in the situation they have to operate in, but once that laptop's contents were discovered it was never going to be swept under the carpet.

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They were either following orders or they were not.....

If following orders then a more senior officer needs to answer questions.

If not following orders then an investigation and potential Court martial follows.

There is no presumption of guilt BUT wouldn't anybody wish that an investigation occurs as otherwise rogue elements who decide to do as they wish destroy everybody elses name.

Covering up and saying its ok because they are in a uniform ends up with a no limits on what we can do because we won't get charged culture developing.
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Old 14th Oct 2012, 21:31
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Why does the country insist on prosecuting its own soldiers? Fcuking insane

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If you are ordered to commit murder, and you do so, you are guilty of murder (and your superior is guilty of incitement).

... so following orders isn't a defence.
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Why does the country insist on prosecuting its own soldiers? Fcuking insane
.. try living in a country where the soldiers know they will never be prosecuted.
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Beats me why they send soldiers into hell and expect them to behave like angles.

They should, of course, never had filmed it.
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Old 14th Oct 2012, 23:46
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Beats me why they send soldiers into hell and expect them to behave like angles.
No

They send them into hell and expect them to behave as per their training.
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Good to see their training worked.They are alive and the Taliban terrorist fighting in civilian garb is dead.
Job done, give medals and free beer for a month to those who put themselves in harmsway.
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Not enough detail to have an opinion, but when will people learn to turn their GD'd cameras and telephone cameras OFF!

Ride a motorcycle way over the speed limit and film it so the police have evidence, attack someone on the street and film it, all these idiots deserve what-ever they get, as long as they are so stupid.

I am not implying that these particular marines did anything in this case, just in general, that this constant filming is incredibly, mind-bogglingly stupid!
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Old 15th Oct 2012, 00:15
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Amazed someone filmed it but even more dumbfounded
they have been arrested.

Let's hope it turns out like the final result of the Aussie debacle
and charges thrown out but hopefully it doesn't take as long.

It won't be too long that soldiers have such a checklist of ROE's
to go through the enemy will be long gone before return fire is OK'd
from a higher authority
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RUBBISH, the fluffies strike again
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Beats me why they send soldiers into hell and expect them to behave like
angles.
Actually, perhaps they were. Or maybe Saxon?

Anyway, rule #1 is "Turn the f'ing camera off!"

As has been said, we don't know the facts or the circumstances, so pre-judging what they did is just that.

But I still vote for criminal stupidity in filming it. Far, far too many instances of stupid behavior caught on tape/electrons in these modern wars.

Imagine if such had existed in WWII? Because most assuredly, such behavior did.
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Old 15th Oct 2012, 01:33
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I hope they get away with what ever they are alleged to have done but, it appears they are in the dock of their own volition.
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Old 15th Oct 2012, 02:10
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. . . that this constant filming is incredibly, mind-bogglingly stupid!

Yep, I remember a BA captain on British television being driven into work after a loooooooooong night of drinking. He just quietly said, 'Cameras are dangerous things.' shortly before his career ended.
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Old 15th Oct 2012, 10:12
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Memory tells me of an incident in Vietnam which resulted in an Australian SAS unit inheriting custody of a number of VC prisoners in varying states of disrepair.

The NZ radio operator attached to the unit had requested helicopter evacuation of the wounded prisoners, and was required to relay to the unit the response from those on high that any such helicopter availability was doubtful in the circumstances, and potentially days away at best.

Legend has it that following the relaying of said intel, a brief pause ensued, followed swiftly thereafter by a number of loud reports; immediately subsequent to which, the radio operator informed whoever was listening and making the decisions that evacuation was not necessary after all, as the prisoners had died from their wounds.

I don't believe anyone was charged with anything as a result of the incident on question.
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Breaker Morant had some words on the subject.

In prison cell I sadly sit,
A d__d crest-fallen chappie!
And own to you I feel a bit-
A little bit - unhappy!


It really ain't the place nor time
To reel off rhyming diction -
But yet we'll write a final rhyme
Whilst waiting cru-ci-fixion!


No matter what "end" they decide -
Quick-lime or "b'iling ile," sir?
We'll do our best when crucified
To finish off in style, sir!


But we bequeath a parting tip
For sound advice of such men,
Who come across in transport ship
To polish off the Dutchmen!


If you encounter any Boers
You really must not loot 'em!
And if you wish to leave these shores,
For pity's sake, DON'T SHOOT 'EM!!


And if you'd earn a D.S.O.,
Why every British sinner
Should know the proper way to go
Is: "ASK THE BOER TO DINNER!"


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Before we pass to Heaven,
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