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Old 17th Feb 2018, 13:30
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Originally Posted by Ken Borough View Post
Incorrect, although the monarchists try to push that myth. Australia's actual Head of State is Elizabeth II, known as the Queen of Australia but also, and more widely understood, the Queen of the United Kingdom. The Governor-General is the representative of the Head of State.
Didn’t Gough Witlam come a foul of that argument?

SOPS

Funny, we have the same, but everyone seems to care. Shut ‘em both down.

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Old 17th Feb 2018, 17:25
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Barnaby Joyce has just followed the example from the 'mother of Parliaments', or has everyone forgotten John Major and Edwina Currie?
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Old 17th Feb 2018, 21:25
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No, but I was trying very hard to. Thanks for that.....
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Old 17th Feb 2018, 22:49
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Incorrect, although the monarchists try to push that myth.

Surely not the Monarchists Ken, don't you mean the Republicans?


Forgotten the name of the female politician who got a wrap over the knuckles for knocking off her official government driver!
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Old 18th Feb 2018, 04:12
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Originally Posted by Ken Borough View Post
Incorrect, although the monarchists try to push that myth. Australia's actual Head of State is Elizabeth II, known as the Queen of Australia but also, and more widely understood, the Queen of the United Kingdom. The Governor-General is the representative of the Head of State.
Actually it’s not as simple as you make out. Australia’s constitution makes no reference to a “Head of State”.

There is a body of case law that suggests that the GG is the effective Head of State and the Queen of Australia (to use her a actual title) is our Sovereign who retains, in effect, only recall powers over the GG.

After a good bit of ‘to-ing’ and ‘fro-ing’ over the last few decades, the Queen’s royal household list her as our Sovereign; with all reference to Head of a State expunged.

In practice, and in effect, the GG is our Head of State, only subject to the recall provisions under s.2 of our Consitution.
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Old 18th Feb 2018, 06:58
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I don't think the real Bankstown Boy aka P J Keating would accept one jot of the nonsense just espoused.

Here's direct copy and paste from the Australian Constitution:

A Governor-General appointed by the Queen shall be Her Majesty's representative in the Commonwealth, and shall have and may exercise in the Commonwealth during the Queen's pleasure, but subject to this Constitution, such powers and functions of the Queen as Her Majesty may be pleased to assign to him.
It is abundantly clear that the Governor-General is not the Head of State: just the representative.
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Old 18th Feb 2018, 09:33
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Originally Posted by Ken Borough View Post
.......It is abundantly clear that the Governor-General is not the Head of State: just the representative.
I don't think that is "abundantly clear", otherwise there would not be quite as much conjecture from a great many learned opinions.
However it does seem to be that way, on the preponderance of opinion.

In effect it's just another title and matters not, one way or the other.
If Australia should one day decide to shed the shackles then both positions will become redundant in their current form and we'll have the opportunity to have our own Trump.
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Old 18th Feb 2018, 10:09
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https://www.peo.gov.au/teaching/parl...-of-state.html

"Australia is a constitutional monarchy and our head of state is the Queen."

* 'peo' is the Parliamentary Education Office.
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Old 18th Feb 2018, 21:52
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Originally Posted by Ken Borough View Post
I don't think the real Bankstown Boy aka P J Keating would accept one jot of the nonsense just espoused.

Here's direct copy and paste from the Australian Constitution:

It is abundantly clear that the Governor-General is not the Head of State: just the representative.
I feel so much better now that I have been outed as “not-the-real-bankstown-boy”. It’s such a relief to finally be Told who I am not. Thanks Ken! now all I need to do is work out who I am, can anybody help?

Returning to the topic at hand. That handy cut and paste of s.2 of the constitution makes it “abundantly” clear why constitutional lawyers have a job.

You see, it doesn’t mention a “Head of State”. The GG is, subject only to the recall power of our Sovereign, the one that carries all of the power and makes all of the decisions. This is no different to most forms of government. To use a simple example, the US President is their Head of State but is similarly subject to recall powers under their constitution.

This is an issue which has vexed our Courts since at least 1907. Many people and organs of our own government belief and state that the Queen is our Head of State. I could mount an argument for either proposition convincingly.

It is not, however, as abundantly ckear as you seem to think; not withstanding your (personal) belief that the only boy that ever came from Bankstown would (apparently) think so too.
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Old 26th Feb 2018, 04:27
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Parliament security bollards damage 5 cars, review ordered - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Outsourcing an enquiry into incidents that happened on their own property at more than $27k. And then obfuscating, passing the buck. Outrageous waste of taxpayer's money Par for the course, unfortunately ...
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Old 26th Feb 2018, 12:42
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With the trend to move to external enquiries, royal commissions, consultancies, etc, etc, etc, you have to question why we need all these public servants.

They seem to exist these days simply to find ways to avoid taking responsibility for the work we pay them to do.
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Old 26th Feb 2018, 13:15
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Originally Posted by CoodaShooda View Post
With the trend to move to external enquiries, royal commissions, consultancies, etc, etc, etc, you have to question why we need all these public servants.

They seem to exist these days simply to find ways to avoid taking responsibility for the work we pay them to do.
Outsource the services because that's "more efficient" then keep an entire government department to manage the outsourced services.

Because, if you get rid of the government oversight the outsourced service provider can, will and does run amok; because he can.
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Old 26th Feb 2018, 13:57
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And then there's this Border Farce :

Australian Border Force boss Roman Quaedvlieg earns $500k on leave, fate rests with A-G - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

His annual salary is approx. $620k. How would he be worth a third more than a deputy PM ? They've truly lost the plot...
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Old 26th Feb 2018, 22:12
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Originally Posted by TWT View Post
And then there's this Border Farce :

Australian Border Force boss Roman Quaedvlieg earns $500k on leave, fate rests with A-G - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

His annual salary is approx. $620k. How would he be worth a third more than a deputy PM ? They've truly lost the plot...
I'm sure the department is sitting on the report because it exonerates Mr Quaedvlieg of any and all wrongdoing...
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Old 26th Feb 2018, 22:25
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I'm sure the department is sitting on the report because it exonerates Mr Quaedvlieg of any and all wrongdoing...
While they wait for him to agree to resign (out of their hair) and sign a non-disclosure agreement?
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Old 4th Mar 2018, 23:11
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Barnaby Joyce, please close your pie hole. Please.
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Old 5th Mar 2018, 00:18
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Originally Posted by jack11111 View Post
Barnaby Joyce, please close your pie hole. Please.

Don't he know how to pick his media advisor!
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Old 5th Mar 2018, 00:46
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Someone needs to confiscate his shovel. He's been told to stop digging but is ignoring advice.
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Old 5th Mar 2018, 01:58
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qantas and freedom of speech

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Old 5th Mar 2018, 20:08
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Alan Joyce and Barnaby Joyce are both making bigger fools of themselves this week. They might be related, but Barnaby says there is a chance they are not.
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