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War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original

Old 11th Mar 2016, 08:22
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Ah, yes.
Credlin and Abbott - the Dynamic Duo.
Could you imagine waking up next to Credlin?
I'd reckon you'd gnaw your arm off just to get out of there - before swearing off drink for life.

Our valiant leader, he was.
A man of impeccable judgement - in all matters.
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Old 11th Mar 2016, 08:26
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I dunno, the smokey eyes and the Bon Jovi hair were enough to melt at least one monastic heart.
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Old 11th Mar 2016, 09:00
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You surely can't be serious, and I'm not calling you Shirley. Every photo I've seen of her is just, well, frightening. I'm talking about the "don't even look at me wrongly or I'll cut your naughty bits off" type of look....
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Old 11th Mar 2016, 09:07
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Old 11th Mar 2016, 15:04
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Why such silence from our far -> winged brethren? You know, the ones that loved Howard and Abbott.

What's that? John Howard says 'give Turnbull a chance', and that Abbott was stupid keeping Hockey and Credlin on the books?

It's tough saying goodbye, but without our far righters this thread seems to be over. God bless Democracy.
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Old 11th Mar 2016, 22:28
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Hemps, do you have supplemental oxygen to maintain consciousness on that incredibly high horse you sit on as you feel so damned superior to everyone whose politics don't agree with yours?

Or do you suffer from hypoxia?

Which might explain your addled thinking.

I'm at the other extreme in politics to you, but, (contrary to what you repeatedly say here, and like quite a few others here), I'm first to agree that Tony Abbott displayed major flaws as Prime Minister. I - along with many other 'right wing reactionaries' - was, and remain, very critical of some (make that many) of the things he did as PM. (Or to be more accurate, of the things he did NOT do as PM.)

But for all his many faults - (faults he should have been allowed to face the electorate and pay for in the opinion of many, but that's water under the political bridge which cannot be fixed, so let's not go there) - those faults pale into insignificance alongside the preening, smug, self-satisfied, do-nothing, incredibly poor excuse for a leader who usurped him.

Look on any number of blog sites and you will see a succession of long term Liberal voters who are saying that they will not vote Liberal while Malcolm Turnbull leads the Party. These numbers might not be large enough to swing the election result, but they must surely be disturbing to Liberal Party insiders, who (in my opinion at least) grossly mis-read their conservative core voters when they opined that they could be ignored.

I'm horrified at the very thought of Prime Minister William Shorten. (Judging by your posts, you may not be.) The man's a prat who doesn't deserve t be a 'humble' back bencher, let alone be the leader of a major political party. However, I fear we may well see with the "nu" Liberals under Turnbull, a repeat of what we saw with that same Party under John Hewson, where they will lose the unloseable election.
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Old 11th Mar 2016, 22:47
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Maybe not if we get that Liberals-Greens coalition
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Old 11th Mar 2016, 23:17
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I'm equally horrified at the thought of Prime Minister Shorten, but "any number of blog sites" is probably the worst possible way of judging electoral sentiment ever. They are a gathering point for generally (with the exception of Jet Blast and a few others) similar views to discuss, debating at length tiny aspects of agreed views, and on the whole are assemblies of groups with very similar leanings.

All too often they are effectively an echo chamber with only minor differences amplified and argued over, taken from that self-selecting population that has a)reliable internet access, b)sufficient free time to waste/spend on the sites, c) the inclination to spend time on those sites as opposed to any other form of leisure activity. From that you get people who take the majority of their information from those sites, raise confirmation bias to its highest level, and then say, and believe, they have a representative view of the entire population. I know quite a few Liberal voters, but none of them are active on the "Liberal" blog sites to my knowledge, or political blogs at all.

Ultimately if 100,000 die-hard Abbott supporters throw their dummy out of the pram and refuse to vote Liberal, but 200,000 wavering or unimpressed Labor voters decide he isn't that bad in comparison to Shorten and swing their vote, that's a net gain of 100,000 votes for the Liberals, and the Liberal party insiders and pollsters would probably say it was worthwhile. The MPs who were looking at a wipeout under Abbott and at this stage look to keep their jobs for another 3 years after the next election, probably think its a good move too although more for reasons of self-interest.
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Old 11th Mar 2016, 23:51
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Hemps, do you have supplemental oxygen to maintain consciousness on that incredibly high horse you sit on as you feel so damned superior to everyone whose politics don't agree with yours?

Or do you suffer from hypoxia?

Which might explain your addled thinking.
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Old 12th Mar 2016, 04:29
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I am sure the Righties made rumblings about moving to En Zed when magnificent Malcolm was made leader or maybe their applications for the NBN was knocked back
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Old 12th Mar 2016, 06:26
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I've got to say, I'm a little disappointed that I only got two bites at what was once a fertile fishing spot. At least the ad hominems were predictable, but it's a bit like catching a carp instead of a nice 20lb cod.

I'll be voting Liberal in the HoR, and NXT in the Senate. You see, I'm a centrist (although to most here that puts me one step to the right of Stalin..)

I guess I'm just lucky that I grew up in a generation where we were taught the ability to think for ourselves, instead of voting along a particular line because 'my father voted that way'.

I agree with John Howard. The Liberal caucus are not going to change their mind on Turnbull. Abbott has always been a slimy, despicable little politician, even when he was Health Minister under Howard. He was a terrible Prime Minister and received exactly what he deserved in the end. It's a pity he can't just fade away gracefully, but I wouldn't think that the word 'graceful' exists in his vocabulary.

Turnbull will win the next election guaranteed. I know 'huggy fluffy' lefties who wouldn't vote for Shorten, he doesn't have a 'leadership bone' in his body. Turnbull has successfully attracted people from both sides of the political divide, and will win in a landslide. Watch this space.
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Old 12th Mar 2016, 10:11
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t's a bit like catching a carp
I do love carping, just like you Hempy.
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Old 12th Mar 2016, 10:20
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Does anyone remember the Liberal mp that lived on the equivalent of the dole for two weeks in early 80's in an attempt to prove it was more than adequate to live on?
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Old 13th Mar 2016, 03:35
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NXT in the Senate
You might as well vote Green, Hempy. Nick Xenophon usually does.
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Old 13th Mar 2016, 04:50
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Nick Xenophon has his own policies that may or may not agree with the Greens, but please don't try and tell me he is a 'greeny'. I expect his party to hold the balance of power in the Senate after the next election.

p.s Admittedly I have a vested interest. If you've ever watched any of the RRAT Committee hearings, he's always taking it up to CASA, ASA and ATSB asking sticky questions and making them look silly at times. He's the only politician in my time to actually give a shit about aviation in this country.





etc etc
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Old 13th Mar 2016, 06:48
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According to today's newspaper Xenophon has crossed the floor and voted with the Greens more than any other MP in recent parliamentary history..
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Old 13th Mar 2016, 07:18
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How can he 'cross the floor'?
He's an independent, the last I heard.
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Old 13th Mar 2016, 07:42
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Originally Posted by parabellum
According to today's newspaper Xenophon has crossed the floor and voted with the Greens more than any other MP in recent parliamentary history..
Care to provide a link or mention which newspaper you are referring to? I read every major paper most days and missed this story, obviously. Thanks in advance.
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Old 14th Mar 2016, 01:48
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Stanwell - Totally agree but that is the terminology widely used in the media when an Independant votes with another party block vote in the Senate.


Hempy - I may have been a day or two out as I cannot find the article in The Weekend Australian but there was a lengthy article in The Australian on possibly Thursday or Friday last week concerning Barnaby Joyce v. Windsor, it went on to discuss other independants, including Nick Xenophon and mentioned that Xenophon had 'crossed the floor' more times to vote with the Greens than any other Independant in recent history. Can't get to the archives as I don't pay a subscription and have already thrown out last weeks papers.
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Old 14th Mar 2016, 02:26
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Hmm, OK, thanks para.
I hadn't noticed that kind of inaccurate and misleading political reporting creeping in.
I'll have to keep an eye out.
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