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War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original

Old 17th Nov 2015, 04:15
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Re the 'first' family of five: I heard on the radio this morning that it consists of a 35 y.o. father, a 17 (or was it [hopefully] 19?) year old mother, two (or was it three?) kids and a bun in the oven. The mother is close to full term and with complications, hence the charter flight.

No further comment required except to say "Who chooses the lucky winners?" And yes, the family is Muslim and not one of the persecuted minorities.
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Old 17th Nov 2015, 04:20
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Must be that window period in the month where all the preppers come out of their fall out shelters
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Old 17th Nov 2015, 04:53
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Muslims launch their own Australian Political party.

Launching the party in Sydney, founder Diaa Mohamed told Fairfax he wanted a louder voice for Muslims.
You'll have to shout louder. We can't hear you over the cacophony of explosions, gunfire and suicide bombs.
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Old 17th Nov 2015, 10:38
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If Lambie can get a seat with 0.15% of the vote then this outfit should be a shoe in. That will be the thin edge of the wedge. Frightening.


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Old 17th Nov 2015, 12:57
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Sorry to break the news Para but you are a lot closer to the morphine porridge than me
Nice little explanation by Walleed Aly, explains it quite well for one of those foreign looking chaps

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Old 17th Nov 2015, 21:58
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Originally Posted by At ease View Post
But at the time, of course, Australia was not facing the stress of overpopulation of most of it's urban areas, unemployment was very low, and the new arrivals were going to be largely productive/taxpaying members of society.

On the other hand, future family reunions are only going to cost the nation funds, rather than adding to them.

And it is worth noting that at least they paid something towards their passage, and were liable to repay a certain amount if they elected to leave Australia and resettle o/s permanently.
Agree completely, the last thing we want is more "refugees" like this one... Brisbane asylum seeker accepts Year 12 certificate behind detention bars

I much prefer the homegrown Aussies who are behind bars when they are supposed to be accepting their Year 12 certificate

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If Lambie can get a seat with 0.15% of the vote then this outfit should be a shoe in. That will be the thin edge of the wedge. Frightening.
Not really. When was the last time that happened before the last election? How many other candidates achieved a handful of votes and didn't get elected?

It's all to do with preferences. Besides with a popular leader there will not be as many protest votes going to minor parties either. If I were sitting on the fringes of the right wing like you I'd be more worried about the Greens getting votes from all the people who are repelled by Bill Shorten, but who can't bring themselves to vote for the Liberal Party
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Old 17th Nov 2015, 23:37
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Possibly Chuboy, possibly but my fear is that this new Muslim party may get enough votes in their own right to get a member in the Senate and many more to follow.
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Old 18th Nov 2015, 00:12
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@Chuboy

Us right wingers are frequently being told by people such as yourself that it is only the extremist Muslims that we need to fear - ergo the rest are OK and are just wonderful people.

But in the situation you pointed to, it would seem that the whole of Iran is populated by Muslims that are obviously quite objectionable:

If returned to Iran, Ms Shamsalipoor faces prison and physical threats, exacerbated by her decision to take part in multicultural dance festivals.
Under strict Muslim law in Iran, a woman cannot dance and clearly display her face in public, Ms Walker said.
Ms Shamsalipoor sought asylum in Australia in 2012 after fleeing an arranged marriage to a 60-year-old man and several assaults in Iran.
Read more: Brisbane asylum seeker accepts Year 12 certificate behind detention bars
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The system in Iran is obviously oppressive to women.

Also obvious is that most other Muslim nations are the same or similar.

But you are calling out the evil Australian federal government for not wanting to provide refuge for this woman or for the literally hundreds of million women who are in the same or similar situation.

Where are the calls from the United Nations, for one, calling out the oppression that exists worldwide.

Where is the condemnation from ALL world leaders calling on Muslim nations to change their tune.

"Muslims are peaceful",..... we have nothing to fear from moderate muslims", blab, blab, blab.

But it would appear that whole nations are involved.

Set your outrage bus on a course that will address these matters, rather than castigating the decisions of the Australian government, and by implication, Australians generally.

"We didn't start the fire, it was always burnin' since the world was turnin' "

Sing along with me Chuboy

Another thing that confuses me, is that having fled from male persecution under a muslim system, it appears that she is marrying another muslim.

Go figure.
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Old 18th Nov 2015, 00:31
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I say Islam is a bad idea, I extend that to all religion. What the MSM isnt reporting for whatever reason is that Daesh is brittle, weak and on the verge of being defeated. They can put out their propaganda BS in slick, well produced and edited videos but at the end of the day the end is nigh. Now, what the experts are saying (who again are not getting any airtime) is that if you want to destroy them in a few weeks you have to put boots on the ground, and therein lies the problem....
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Old 18th Nov 2015, 00:40
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Originally Posted by At ease View Post
@Chuboy

Us right wingers are frequently being told by people such as yourself that it is only the extremist Muslims that we need to fear - ergo the rest are OK and are just wonderful people.

But in the situation you pointed to, it would seem that the whole of Iran is populated by Muslims that are obviously quite objectionable:

[/COLOR][LEFT][COLOR=#000000] Read more: Brisbane asylum seeker accepts Year 12 certificate behind detention bars
Follow us: @brisbanetimes on Twitter | brisbanetimes on Facebook

The system in Iran is obviously oppressive to women.
No disagreement from me, like many countries in that region which have been influenced by the more radical strains of Islam, it seems like a pretty average place to live as far as human rights are concerned.
Also obvious is that most other Muslim nations are the same or similar.
Some of them, definitely. All or most? I am not so certain. And just because the laws are draconian does not mean the people subjected to them are.

It is of course worth pointing out that "most" of the Western world either still has, or had until recently, laws which were based on the "morals" set out by Christianity. Marriage between a man and a woman, homosexuality illegal, opening your shop on Sunday illegal, etc etc. The Bible is not exactly a bastion of feminism and if you ask one of the basket weavers that took a subject in Gender Studies at uni they will tell you the western world suppressed women for quite some time. Some will argue they still are but that is not something I like to talk to about

But you are calling out the evil Australian federal government for not wanting to provide refuge for this woman or for the literally hundreds of million women who are in the same or similar situation.
Never called anyone out. I know we can't help every one of the millions of poverty-stricken or oppressed wretches out there. Just saying that this refugee has achieved more in a detention centre than many (Anglo) Aussie-born people I know, who have freely wasted every opportunity our fine society has attempted to offer them.

It's not fair to tar them all with a brush, and even if we can't take them all it makes sense to take this one.
Where are the calls from the United Nations, for one, calling out the oppression that exists worldwide.

Where is the condemnation from ALL world leaders calling on Muslim nations to change their tune.
Not sure. Saudi Arabia even managed to end up on the Human Rights Commission. Don't they still have regulated maximum wages for domestic servants?

Also a good time to point out, who says we hold a moral high ground here? What makes you think the exact set of values we accept today are the right ones, and that any more freedom is objectively a step too far? Why are we necessarily the moral authority?

"Muslims are peaceful",..... we have nothing to fear from moderate muslims", blab, blab, blab.
Well most of them are. There are billions of Muslims. How many of them have ever beaten someone up, let alone killed a person?
Another thing that confuses me, is that having fled from male persecution under a muslim system, it appears that she is marrying another muslim.
Perhaps this may surprise you, but even though the two men are both Muslims, that does not make them the same person. My guess is that the first male was an asshole anyway, it was after all an arranged marriage. I don't think the issue was that he was Muslim. The second male could be quite the gentleman as far as you know!
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Old 18th Nov 2015, 00:44
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Reports on 2GB this morning that the founder of the very new Muslim Party has form in organising collections for charitable institutions and then not being able to explain where all the donations went.

Sounds like he'd be right at home in our Senate.
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Old 18th Nov 2015, 00:50
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So if, as you are suggesting, that most muslim nations are populated by more benign regimes that are not oppressive to women(well they must be, there are billions of them - well 1.5 billion to be somewhat more precise), why can't she go to one of these places.

It's a very long way between Iran and north coast Australia.

There is even the world's most populated muslim nation just to our north.

P.S. I believe in the Bible - and what it teaches including the teaching on homosexuality.

It has given the Western world a fantastic foundation making it the prosperous safe place it is.

That other systems are not reflective of Christianity and not being such wholesome places to live, just reinforces my argument.

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Old 18th Nov 2015, 01:29
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Originally Posted by At ease View Post
So if, as you are suggesting, that most muslim nations are populated by more benign regimes that are not oppressive to women(well they must be, there are billions of them - well 1.5 billion to be somewhat more precise), why can't she go to one of these places.
Easy, because she knew that as a refugee in Australia, she would be given the standard issue Point Piper mansion, jet ski, stock options, $10000/month in welfare, cosmetic surgery to improve her appearance, and a new mosque built in any town of her choice. That's why she went to all the effort of getting a Year 12 certificate despite speaking hardly any English


P.S. I believe in the Bible - and what it teaches including the teaching on homosexuality.

That other systems are not reflective of Christianity and not being such wholesome places to live, just reinforces my argument.
Lol. The self-awareness meter is barely wiggling I expect.

I'm sure the devout Muslims in Saudi think their country is very wholesome indeed. They're probably horrified to learn that in other countries, women are allowed to vote and drive and reveal their faces in public.

Just like you think the "good old fashioned" (aka "wholesome" ) days where only men went to work, wives were seen not heard, negroes helped around the house, people went to church every Sunday, sodomy was a criminal offence and nobody had sex until they were married before a priest were the way things should have stayed.

Who are you to say their book is wrong and yours is right?
It has given the Western world a fantastic foundation making it the prosperous safe place it is.
Unless you're gay (Westboro Baptist Church) or believe in the wrong type of Christianity (North v South Ireland), or have the wrong skin colour (KKK). Or your ethnicity is wrong (Balkans).
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Old 18th Nov 2015, 01:33
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The key word is believe. Anyone can believe anything, literally. It requires no facts or evidence. The bible states that the universe revolves around us, it does not. It states as you say, homosexuality is wrong and is a sin, it is not.

But no matter how many facts and how much evidence is trotted out to believers it doesn't matter, because when you believe something, all the logic goes away. Look what the Catholics did to Galileo for stating what he saw through his telescope. By the way, the word christian was a word used many decades ago to fight abortion. referring to individual sects under that banner is much more accurate. The word Christian also has a habit of making everything "ok"
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Old 18th Nov 2015, 02:09
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All I had to do was mention the word "Bible", and all the specious arguments start flying.

After they were married my mother still worked whilst WW2 was still going, but stopped when my father returned from service and not again(part time) till the last child, me, was well into primary school.

She observed the advice of her parish priest that "a mother's first duty is to her children".

We never had any home help from ANYONE(or my grandparents or great grandparents), even though my father's war caused illnesses(led to his very early death at 57 yrs. leaving my mother a widow for longer than she was married) would have justified my mother receiving some.

I don't find the fact that a new arrival - all of them - get taxpayer funded benefits whilst there are a class of war widows who are denied ALL centrelink benefits because they own too many assets- very uplifting.

But these war widow's husbands were in the front line - my father included - defending the country.

My parents didn't piss up the money at the RSL club, or do it on the pokies.

They saved it instead- or payed for my Catholic school education which took the pressure off the taxpayer.

But the new arrivals get taxpayer funding.

Care packages- new electrical appliances, free housing, etc.

Chuboy, if you want to encourage immigration from societies that are avowed to hate our way of life, please accommodate/ feed/ educate/ clothe these people at your own expense.

Don't ask that these costs be born by those that would like to see dependants of those that defended our country get adequate or at least equitable = meaning equal care, compared with those that have not put in DOLLAR ONE to contributing to the well being of this country.

Who are you to say their book is wrong and yours is right?
I'm not, but the Creator is.

Find out who is right on Judgement Day.

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Old 18th Nov 2015, 09:48
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What the MSM isnt reporting for whatever reason is that Daesh is brittle, weak and on the verge of being defeated.
Channel Ten/ Waleed Aly have been trying.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmKpm_9BtHc
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Old 18th Nov 2015, 10:49
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Ok here is proof..the UN don't listen to politicians....the elected representatives of countries. They think they are a law to themselves.


Government set to focus Syrian refugee program on Christians in wake of Paris attacks: Scott Morrison - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
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Old 18th Nov 2015, 12:16
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Aus politics or 'personal rant thread'?
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Old 18th Nov 2015, 13:20
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good to see the feds investigating the Ashby saga, I think Brough, Roy and everyone's favourite Pyne will be extremely concerned at the moment, what's the chances of three front benchers getting the old heave ho..
Back to your religious rants now !
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Old 18th Nov 2015, 13:27
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Hey, Pynes a 'fixer' didn't you know? He 'fixes' things!!!

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