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War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original

Old 23rd Oct 2015, 14:28
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Originally Posted by SOPS
They can't leave him alone. Why are left so obsessed with him? You got you wish..he has gone...and your Shorten person is in meltdown in the polls.

Please can you stop hitting on Tont Abbott?
Yeah I know. Perpetually bringing up the performance of past leaders is nothing more than a pathetic attempt at deflection of the current issues by people who are diving for a hand-hold on reality.

I'm glad Rudd and Gillard haven't been mentioned here in the last two years....
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Old 23rd Oct 2015, 14:35
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“Victim of islamic terrorism Curtis Cheng is laid to rest and turnbull is....”

Interested to know what exactly made this a terrorist attack versus a . . . .crime?
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Old 23rd Oct 2015, 23:18
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Wayne Swan 10% preferred
Bill Shorten 9% preferred

Would indicate Bill Shorten is more than a Deadman Walking?
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Old 24th Oct 2015, 02:33
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Our Tony is off next week to give the Thatcher talk in London. I wonder if he will dust off his pld pommy passport thats been hidden under his mattress for the last few years.
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Old 24th Oct 2015, 03:02
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I'm glad Rudd and Gillard haven't been mentioned here in the last two years....
Two years are up.... Gillard was a serial adultress and well qualified to be a Labor leader.

Seriously, to undo the damage Rudd and Gillard inflicted on Australia will take a decade to repair.
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Old 24th Oct 2015, 03:37
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MTOW

you had me perplexed for a moment or 2

I thought you were conflating Abbott and terrorism.

I misread your "AbbottBad" as "Abbottabad" - location of OBL was when killed

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Old 24th Oct 2015, 03:43
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Onya, Dickus - the cracked record. Right on cue.
Some people just can't help themselves, can they?

As long as we're dealing with the past, I find Senator Bill Heffernan's latest allegations, in the Senate, intriguing.
Included in the list of (alleged) prominent paedophiles he's compiled from Police documents is... (drum-roll, please).. a former Prime Minister.

Now, just to liven things up, submissions are invited on just which side of politics 'knew nothing at all - it's just a shock to us'.


p.s. Please be careful when responding. Parliamentary Privilege doesn't extend to this forum.

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Old 25th Oct 2015, 01:57
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From the net
A WOMAN claiming to be the victim of a “VIP paedophile ring”, which involved three former prime ministers, has alleged she was prostituted to “paedophile parties” at Parliament House in Canberra.
The claim that the events took place 40 years ago indeed puts some interesting personalities in the spotlight - if the claims are true of course.
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Old 26th Oct 2015, 10:39
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Muslim students walking out on National Anthem

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Old 26th Oct 2015, 11:13
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Why are left so obsessed with him? You got you wish..he has gone...and your Shorten person is in meltdown in the polls.
I think you answered your own question.
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Bill Shorten Concerned Bill Shorten Could Be Knifed By Bill Shorten | SBS Comedy
Included in the list of (alleged) prominent paedophiles he's compiled from Police documents is... (drum-roll, please).. a former Prime Minister.
Much local chat and placing of bets . I won't list the current odds because getting sued for defamation by anyone as wealthy and with as much free time as a former PM is not on my personal bucket list. However, as you say... if it's true. That's a big If; the claims are rather amazing. That's not to say they're untrue, but anyone can make a claim. Proving it is another matter. Law enforcement agencies compile lists of all sorts of people for all sorts of reasons, but those lists are never intended to be made public. Some of those names are famous and generate a lot of classified gossip, but that's where it's supposed to stay; having your name on a list doesn't make you guilty, or even a suspect. Hell, we're all probably on a few agency lists .
'who the is Penny Wong?;' Said as a description, not a question.
With a few notable exceptions, you could insert any federal Senator's name (from any state) in there.
And most other comments about her cannot be repeated here, mainly because they refer to her sexual orientation in a most unfavourable manner.
FWIW, Wong has never made any secret about her lifestyle (for want of a better word), even though it certainly erodes her public support and allegedly cost her a particular ministry in the former federal government. That is in contrast to many, many other MPs, notables, commentators and other public figures past and present who were well known to be similarly inclined, but cover/ed it up with phoney marriages and speeches espousing Traditional Family Values.

Again, defamation being what it is (though it's arguable whether calling someone gay is actually defamatory these days) I'll not name names, but I reckon all of us political junkies (great term ) could name a few MPs from our local areas whose personal habits don't match up to their spin, not by a looong shot.

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Old 2nd Nov 2015, 00:39
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TWT, the follow on, widely reported in the media. While it's the sort of take you would expect coming from Hizb ut-Tahrir, never the less it's a worry that they had an audience of 800. Still, all will be good when we have all converted.
Australia: Muslims complain that singing anthem is “forced assimilation”

“It’s not enough that you obey the law, no, you have to adopt our values,” Badar complained.

Uh, yeah. Because if you don’t adopt our values, eventually you will subvert the law. A nation of people without shared values will eventually collapse into dissolution and probably civil war.

Requiring schoolchildren to sing the national anthem, and the citizenship pledge supporting democratic values, are part of an oppressive campaign by Australian authorities of “forced assimilation” of the Muslim community, a conference heard this morning.

The conference held by Islamist activist group Hizb ut-Tahrir entitled “Innocent Until Proven Muslim” is taking place at Bankstown in Sydney’s west, attended by about 800 people.

Hizb ut-Tahrir spokesman Uthman Badar told the conference the Australian government “claims to afford freedom, but seeks to impose values and beliefs” on Muslims.

Muslims were expected to not just be gracious about Australian values, but publicly promote them, Mr Badar said.

This imposition of secular western values was reflected in the oath when taking out citizenship, Mr Badar said, with new citizens required to pledge allegiance to Australia “whose democratic beliefs I share”.

“It’s not enough that you obey the law, no, you have to adopt our values,” Mr Badar told the conference.

Similarly, Mr Badar said, schoolchildren were required to sing the national anthem, which he said, “reflects a disputed view of history”.

“If you don’t share those values, why should they be forced to sing it?” Mr Badar said.

The comments follow a backlash from many politicians and commentators to news last week that the principal of a Victorian primary school had excused Muslim students from singing Advance Australia Fair.

Mr Badar said the campaign by government and agencies against radicalisation was actually a smokescreen to “make Muslims less Islamic”.

“It is nothing less than forced assimilation … sought to be justified by exaggerated fear of a security threat,” he said.

Government efforts to promote what it bills as a moderate form of Islam might on occasion “buy out some Imam”, Mr Badar said, but overall, “the attempt to reform Islam is doomed to failure.”

The conference heard a series of members of the Muslim community, some by prerecorded audiovisual clips and some live from the floor — deliver testimonials of what they claimed was oppressive behaviour by officials against them as Muslims, at airports, in police raids, and in high security prisons.
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Old 2nd Nov 2015, 01:00
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via Zapatas Blood #19070:
“Victim of islamic terrorism Curtis Cheng is laid to rest and turnbull is....”

Interested to know what exactly made this a terrorist attack versus a . . . .crime?
One and the same is it not ?




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Old 2nd Nov 2015, 01:05
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After spending umpteen billions of dollars on idiotic desalinisation plants it now looks like it can be done at half the cost..

"...a team at the University of Alexandria figured out a way to address their own country’s freshwater concerns with a new process that uses less than half the power of traditional desalination methods. Their new technique was published this week in a paper in the journal Water Science & Technology..."

How To Desalinise Water Using Half The Energy Of Traditional Methods | Gizmodo Australia




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Old 2nd Nov 2015, 02:08
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Originally Posted by Flying Binghi View Post
One and the same is it not ?
It's not

Committing an act of terror is a crime.

Taking an orange from the supermarket without paying for it is a crime but not an act of terror.

The distinction is not that hard to grasp, is it

After spending umpteen billions of dollars on idiotic desalinisation plants it now looks like it can be done at half the cost..
If it makes you feel any better, building a plant with the new technology would still cost about the same since the majority of the cost seems to be civil works and government project management overheads, it's only the operating cost that is cheaper. Which is irrelevant because the plants are never turned on anyway right
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Old 2nd Nov 2015, 04:07
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via chuboy:
Committing an act of terror is a crime.

Taking an orange from the supermarket without paying for it is a crime but not an act of terror.

The distinction is not that hard to grasp, is it
You are correct chuboy. And I didn't properly answer the meaning of Zapatas Blood's post either.






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Old 2nd Nov 2015, 20:26
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Un-Australian

These feckless people are what is un-Australian

Muslim children should not be forced to sing national anthem, says Hizb ut-Tahrir

Bring back National Service and develop some sense of national pride.
Singapore is a great example.
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Old 2nd Nov 2015, 20:50
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Mal has actually done something - and something I at least approve of. (How long has it taken him? Five, or is it six weeks.) He's canned knights and dames, one of Tony Abbott's more high profile 'missteps'.

The fact that Tony Abbott could have thought for one moment that this was a good idea put serious doubt about his connection with the man on the street, and so this was a pretty safe first move by Turnbull.

Why is that I suspect that some of the moves he'll make over the next few months might not meet with similar approval from people like me (of conservative leanings)?
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Old 2nd Nov 2015, 22:01
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Honestly I think Tony sealed his fate with that captain's call. Knighting Prince Phillip on Australia Day would have to have been the equivalent of the Titanic hitting the iceberg.

Political commentator yesterday noted that Malcolm's new and improved government is now having a "conversation" about raising the GST, something which will raise a lot of much needed revenue and which can fund tax cuts in other areas. They contended that Tony could never have provoked such a discussion, even if he wanted to, and I have to say I agree.

Things have been running unusually smoothly since MT took the helm actually. I think citizens (and journalists) have gotten used to opening the news every morning and reading what moronic idea or statement Tony came up with today. It's so very refreshing.
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Old 2nd Nov 2015, 22:07
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I am wondering if, whilst his popularity is high, Turnbull isn't planning on engineering a dispute with the opposition that gives him an excuse for a DD election? GST could be the trigger, Shorten has already said that he and his party won't support a raise in the rate.


There again, Marshmallow Malcolm is just as likely to put something on the table one minute and remove it the next, if he thinks he could get a bloody nose.
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Old 2nd Nov 2015, 22:27
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Para, there's a huge sting in the tail if a DD is called - senators need only half as many votes as they would in a normal (staggered for the senate) election to gain or retain their seat. So it gives an enormous advantage to the micro parties and the likes of SHY. If Mal did as you suggested, we could end up with a dozen Ricky Muirs and SHY might get to stay even without Cloive's preferences.

Tony Abbott made a number of very poor decisions during his time as PM. (I agree that the knights and dames was up there among the most silly.) His really big mistake was not to have introduced major reforms of the electoral system immediately after gaining power, including mandatory photo ID and a national, computerised data base to prevent multiple voting, which is far more widespread than the AEC lets on, particularly in marginal electorates. The influx of shonky "residents" (who boasted later on social media that they were not) into Sophie Mirabella's electorate of Indi was just one example.
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