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War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original

Old 11th Oct 2015, 03:04
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For what it's worth, you lot were still blaming Rudd and Gillard for making your beer warm right up to the day Abbott was axed.
I still blame Rudd and Gillard, but not for making the beer warm. Australia suffered because of them and that fool Swan they had as Treasurer. We will be experiencing a very long financial hangover because of their incompetence.

Only a fool could assert a practising narcissist and a serial adultress as Prime Ministers served the populace well. In hindsight they were there to do the bidding of their faceless union masters (AWU and CFMEU) who've been revealed as bullys, thugs, extortionists and liars by the TURC.

Watch it here:

Trade Union Royal Commission Live

You'd still believe in the tooth fairy if you accepted some of the excuses these people have given in evidence, and yet they've answered with a straight face.
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Old 11th Oct 2015, 06:37
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Originally Posted by CoodaShooda View Post
Chuboy

In what way has Abbott set the country back?
Depends who you ask, but to start with: only the most rusted-on supporter would deny our economy stagnated during his tenure. He failed to stimulate a transition away from a resource-based economy. He stuck his head in the sand with respect to the tax concessions that have culminated in the precariously overheated property markets in Sydney and Melbourne.

Likewise his policies on energy and climate change were at odds with basically every other developed nation. Certainly in terms of social polices like SSM, secularism, "knights and dames", etc, he definitely took (or wanted to take) Australia back in time, not forward.

He was responsible for the devolution of the NBN which I have written about at length before.

Ok so in terms of lasting damage, Abbott has not left much of a legacy (he has not really left any legacy at all), but if nothing else the country has spent the last 2 years treading water at a time when we could really not afford to.

By contrast, today PM Turnbull announced federal funding would be made available for the Gold Coast Light Rail Stage 2 construction. We will now have light rail connections in place for the Commonwealth Games and into the future. What a refreshing change from Mr No's policy of... "no funding for you". 1000 jobs created in a stagnant economy, long lasting (public transport) infrastructure for a growing city - what's not to like?
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Old 11th Oct 2015, 06:49
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Ovation, even if what you have said about RGR and the Swan debt legacy is perfectly true - Abbott objectively failed to do anything about the debt, in fact it has gotten bigger since Hockey took over. Abbott tried to fix the problem by cutting away expenditure from the margins of society, conspicuously ignoring the elephants in the room. When that didn't fly with the Senate, rather than attempt to negotiate he more or less gave up; the remainder of his term became the political equivalent of a box of stale biscuits that someone thankfully had the sense to throw away.

In the meantime he made the news domestically and overseas for all the wrong reasons, it was just gaffe after gaffe. He replaced "today's weather" as the topic for small talk in the elevator. The guy was our very own GWB. There is nothing to be gained in defending him; to be frank, referring to Rudd and Gillard at all merely serves to highlight how easy it should have been to get the show back on the road. It only goes to show how little Abbott was able to achieve.

I know it's convenient to pretend the last two years never happened and it's still all Rudd, Gillard and Swan's fault, but at a certain point it ceases to be annoying finger-pointing from the fringes of the political spectrum and simply becomes a pathetic case of denial.
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Old 11th Oct 2015, 10:12
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Originally Posted by SOPS View Post
No Hempy. I did not say that. I said the left got what they wanted. I am, at the moment, happy with Malcom. What I can't understand is the constant hatred from the left against Tony. He seems to me to be a nice family man. What is the left's problem with him? He has gone, but still the gate continues.
Could it be just that - he is a nice family man. It doesn't fit with their agenda of same-gender families/parents, throw-away relationships, belief in God and quite a few other characteristics of his that are odds with their agenda.
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Old 11th Oct 2015, 12:42
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Likewise his policies on energy and climate change were at odds with basically every other developed nation. Certainly in terms of social polices like SSM, secularism, "knights and dames", etc, he definitely took (or wanted to take) Australia back in time, not forward.
Could it be just that - he is a nice family man. It doesn't fit with their agenda of same-gender families/parents, throw-away relationships, belief in God and quite a few other characteristics of his that are odds with their agenda.
Some of us are backward looking dinosaurs that are happy with traditional values based on Christianity, although at just 54 years old I would be a minority in my age group.

But then again, I have respect for my elders and their concerns.

I think it has something to do with one of The 10 Commandments.

My 91 year old mother keeps saying that she has seen and lived through the best of Australia in an earlier time and that it won't return.

I believe she is correct and displays a life full of hard earned wisdom.

Of course, that "best of Australia" was procured by the sacrifices made by a generation of men who are largely no longer with us.

Yet governments, federal state and local, don't do all they can do to look after the few who are left or their dependants and descendants.

That includes Malcolm, Tony, Kevin, Julia, & John(although he was better than most)etc, etc.

However, there seems plenty of funding for "social engineering" and a "brave new world", yet most days I listen to the tears of a widow who has to accept the fact that no government wants to provide her with a measure of compensation for her loss - not even giving her a reduction on her council rates EVER because she is means tested because her and my father saved, whilst it has just been announced that Australia will provide relocation for 12,000 Syrians.

Yes, she gets a War Widows pension, but this is at the same rate as what a Centrelink pensioner gets - so that's no sacrifice to the nation.

My father should have got a job on the wharves loading merchant ships whilst WW2 was on, instead of volunteering to defend them as an Oerlikon gunner in the RAN.

He would have got a much higher rate of pay too.

And he would have been allowed to go on strike like the "Wharfies" did.

He missed out then, he missed out afterwards due to war caused illnesses and died very early as a result, his wife and family missed out.

Yet the Syrians are not missing out.

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Old 11th Oct 2015, 12:55
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You have to hand it too Malcolm, only been in the job a couple of weeks and he is sorting out the city's light rail problems, launched an nbn satellite, signed off on a new army vehicle contract, sorted out the submarine debacle and hasn't once umed or arghed or repeated the same sentence due lack of content.
What was the name of the last bloke again ?
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Old 11th Oct 2015, 23:45
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However...

"...Voters overwhelmingly believe the Liberal Party did the right thing by replacing Tony Abbott with Malcolm Turnbull, according to the latest Newspoll

Labor and Green voters were dramatically in favour of the leadership change with 71 per cent support among ALP supporters and 82 per cent of Greens backing the switch.

However:
The surge of support for Mr Turnbull has not flowed through to a lift for the Coalition, which slipped one point in both primary and two-party-preferred terms..."

Oh, Dear..

TURNBULL STALLS | Daily Telegraph Tim Blair Blog




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Old 12th Oct 2015, 00:29
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Turnbull more popular than the party, maybe he needs to toss out pyne, brough and brandis, bit by bit me thinks.
I thought he handled himself very well with all the lib guffaws the other day, showed himself to be the better prime minister that credlins puppet could never be. Now when you here the prime minister talk you are reassured that he has a good articulate plan instead of a cluster f#ck foot in mouth captains call.
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Old 12th Oct 2015, 00:38
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At ease. I have a disabled son. He wants his own home. We had to buy him one. I bet the Syrians will get a house for free.
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Old 12th Oct 2015, 01:04
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I bet they won't.
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Old 12th Oct 2015, 05:14
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serves to highlight how easy it should have been to get the show back on the road. It only goes to show how little Abbott was able to achieve.
Every attempt was thwarted in the Senate, it just isn't that easy to turn a multi billion $ deficit back into a surplus and I'm sorry to hear that scrapping the carbon tax, the minerals tax and stopping the boats etc. don't count for anything, I think they are quite significant.

only been in the job a couple of weeks and he is sorting out the city's light rail problems, launched an nbn satellite, signed off on a new army vehicle contract, sorted out the submarine debacle
Think about it Ethel, just about all those projects were given birth under Abbott's government, just how long do you think it takes to build a satellite?
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Old 12th Oct 2015, 05:58
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Think about it Ethel, just about all those projects were given birth under Abbott's government
Umm you probably should do some research before making statements like that. Otherwise people might think that you are full of st
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Old 12th Oct 2015, 06:08
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Originally Posted by parabellum View Post
Every attempt was thwarted in the Senate, it just isn't that easy to turn a multi billion $ deficit back into a surplus and I'm sorry to hear that scrapping the carbon tax, the minerals tax and stopping the boats etc. don't count for anything, I think they are quite significant.
My apologies, I had forgotten Tony Abbott was the only person in Australian political history to ever have to deal with a senate! All is forgiven, how could we expect the leader of our country to negotiate for the sake of progress?

I agree putting a stop to the drownings was a good thing that Tony achieved, but at what cost? Children being sexually abused, people literally rotting away in detention camps because we don't want to encourage any more to come. Far from our proudest moment.

As for the mining/carbon tax. Well I hardly even noticed the difference. The carbon tax "refund" we all got was dwarfed by yet another yearly increase in electricity supply costs (NOT generation costs due to renewables but gold-plated poles and wires thanks to the mistakes of a certain government that deregulated the network). The mining tax? Take it or leave it, they are still all hurting now anyway, profits downgraded, layoffs, closing mines. With or without the tax we would have been no better off fiscally.
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Old 12th Oct 2015, 08:13
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Umm you probably should do some research before making statements like that. Otherwise people might think that you are full of st
This from the poster who said he had never been banned because he made a point of never being abusive! And that is on top of a highly abusive post a few months ago, directed at me, about older people not being qualified to make comments on certain posts and many, many more snide remarks.

And no, Turnbull did not commission the NBN satellite;

The NBN satellite Malcolm Turnbull never wanted prepares for liftoff

"Umm you probably should do some research before making statements like that"
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Old 12th Oct 2015, 09:02
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via chuboy #19010:
...By contrast, today PM Turnbull announced federal funding would be made available for the Gold Coast Light Rail Stage 2 construction. We will now have light rail connections in place for the Commonwealth Games and into the future. What a refreshing change from Mr No's policy of... "no funding for you". 1000 jobs created in a stagnant economy, long lasting (public transport) infrastructure for a growing city...
So banker boy turnbull will give TAXPAYERS money to fund a technology of Queen Victoria's era. Brilliant..

Computer drive cars are here and NOW and will destroy public transport and its associated monolithic concrete structures in a few short years. What a collosal waste of money, and he knows it...

"...We have to recognise that the disruption that we see driven by technology, the volatility in change is our friend if we are agile and smart enough to take advantage of it..."

Looks like the ACCC didn?t get the memo | Catallaxy Files





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Old 12th Oct 2015, 10:06
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So banker boy turnbull will give TAXPAYERS money to fund a technology of Queen Victoria's era. Brilliant..

Computer drive cars are here and NOW and will destroy public transport and its associated monolithic concrete structures in a few short years. What a collosal waste of money, and he knows it...

"...We have to recognise that the disruption that we see driven by technology, the volatility in change is our friend if we are agile and smart enough to take advantage of it..."

Looks like the ACCC didn?t get the memo | Catallaxy Files
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Good grief. Whatever will you come out with next? (You realise the automobile is not exactly a recent invention don't you?)

Autonomous vehicles are not going to make public transport obsolete. What, you think the great metropoli of the world are suddenly going to be trafficable just because the car has a driver of its own? The fact that 100000s of people are trying to converge on one central location at the same time is not relevant in the slightest?

If nothing else, autonomous vehicle technology will give us automated buses and trains. But it can never hope to replace them. Mass transit is fundamentally more efficient than personal vehicles. As energy becomes more expensive this will only become more important.
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Old 12th Oct 2015, 10:07
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has anyone noticed how the weather has become more warm and pleasant since Malcolm has take the helm. is there no end too his golden touch!!
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Old 12th Oct 2015, 11:08
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Have to agree Pinky. They got their wet dream. He is gone. But still the continue to stick the knife in. For the life of me, I can't work out why.
Because that's the game!
...attempts to continue to stick the knife into Tony Abbott makes me think that he was and still is a threat to Labor and their ideologies!
Yeah nah. Abbott was federal Labor's greatest asset, and now he's gone . Damned shame, really, he was making it easy. Now Labor has to contend with an astute pollie that the general populace seem to like, and Shorten has some work ahead of him. Trust me, Labor would have been very happy to see Abbott continue as PM.

Turnbull? WTF knows. I think the electorate's mood is currently wait, watch and decide. Talking 'round the campfire/ lunchroom, I don't think that Turnbull is as much of a People's Messiah as either he or the party would like to believe. That said, he's not as generally hated as Abbott was, and he does have a better way of putting things.
My 91 year old mother keeps saying that she has seen and lived through the best of Australia in an earlier time and that it won't return.
I believe she is correct and displays a life full of hard earned wisdom.
And if God/the Fates give us all 91 years, given time we'll be saying exactly the same thing, and be similarly ignored by our ungrateful offspring.
As Ned Kelly said, such is life.
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Old 12th Oct 2015, 11:18
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Devil

And if God/the Fates give us all 91 years, given time we'll be saying exactly the same thing, and be similarly ignored by our ungrateful offspring.
As Ned Kelly said, such is life.
Worrals; You may indeed have quite a valid point!

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Old 12th Oct 2015, 11:29
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via chuboy:
Good grief. Whatever will you come out with next? (You realise the automobile is not exactly a recent invention don't you?)

Autonomous vehicles are not going to make public transport obsolete. What, you think the great metropoli of the world are suddenly going to be trafficable just because the car has a driver of its own? The fact that 100000s of people are trying to converge on one central location at the same time is not relevant in the slightest?

If nothing else, autonomous vehicle technology will give us automated buses and trains. But it can never hope to replace them. Mass transit is fundamentally more efficient than personal vehicles. As energy becomes more expensive this will only become more important.
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