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War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original

Old 29th Sep 2015, 17:23
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Tony Abbott's Ray Hadley interview shows exactly why he's no longer prime minister | smh.com.au
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Old 30th Sep 2015, 06:04
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I don't think what the Fairfax media choose to print about Abbott is worth reading, it is they, along with the ABC, the ALP and the Greens that went out of their way to make sure nothing he tried to do could succeed if they didn't want it to, despite the fact that some of what Abbott proposed had already been endorsed as good policy by the ALP and much of it was for the general good of Australia and Australians.
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Old 30th Sep 2015, 06:36
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Hempy & Stanwell,

Very well put. Abbott looks as though he's in need of real help.

There's no doubt that Abbott, encouraged by the RWNJs of the tabloid media, took the Liberals from being at the Centre of the political spectrum - its natural positioning - to the far reaches of the Right. It was an over-reaction to the ALP moving closer to the centre from the Left, now occupied by the Greens.

To say that Abbott failed because of the ABC, and Fairfax is tantamount to ignoring the elephant in the room. The ABC didn't (and couldn't) editorialise at the last election but from memory, The Age and SMH both endorsed the election of a Coalition Government. Do people want us to believe that they should maintain that position if the PM of that government fails to provide he leadership and vision that this country deserves?

Para wrote that those opposed to Abbott " went out of their way to make sure nothing he tried to do could succeed". Isn't that precisely what Abbott and the RWNJs of the tabloid media did to JG and her government? Abbott and Co were remorseless in their opposition to anything and everything Gillard and Rudd proposed. It's really time that many removed their rose-coloured glasses and viewed Abbott's political legacy, such that it is, with objectivity. I welcome Turnbull's leadership and hope that he is able to govern with compassion, vision and leadership. The country deserves nothing less.

Disclaimer before the incoming: this voter has never, ever voted ALP, Greens, Democrat, Palmer United, at any election be it local, State or Federal. Unlike Morrison, he's prepared to swear accordingly on the good Book if required!!

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Old 30th Sep 2015, 07:17
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According to the 'tinfoil hat' brigade here, there was indeed a massive conspiracy involving the entire mainstream media in Australia (except Hadley and Bolt), colluding with the Senate, Malcolm Turnbull and 53 other Liberal Party politicians, all in order simply to run the 'man of steel' out of office!!

Maybe it was all organised by the man on the grassy knoll? Or perhaps at the moon landing set at Universal Studios? Nah, I have it. It was the same CIA operatives who planted thermite in the twin towers!!!
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Old 30th Sep 2015, 07:53
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Ken, the only fallacy I see in your argument is that the Coalition while in opposition supported and passed a huge number of bills Labor under Julia Gillard put to the Lower house and the Senate. (Remember Julia Gillard boasting how many bllls she had presented and got through parliament? Over 100, wasn't it?)

Tony Abbott while in opposition fought against the crazy spending bills put forward by Labor - and looking at the size of the debt Labor wracked up in six years, not very successfully.

Labor, since being assigned to the Opposition benches, has put the kibosh on virtually every piece of legislation the Coalition has put forward as they attempt to reduce that debt, even bills Labor espoused while in government and that were part of their policies in the last election.
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Old 30th Sep 2015, 08:18
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Wiley,

Not a fallacy. JG and Rudd did get most of their legislation through both houses. I think JG, unlike Abbott, was able to negotiate with the Independents in the Lower Hse and the cross-bench in the Senate. This is what had her legislative program come to fruition, especially the contentious issues.
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Old 30th Sep 2015, 08:29
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I think that if you really looked at the JG years, (& the KR each side) a lot of the legislation passed because the Green vote added to Labor (& Windsor/Oakeshott) made a majority. The Green vote was a done deal (remember the announcement with the inanely grinning Bob Brown standing alongside as the doppelganger Deputy PM?). Pretty much the same in the Senate - remember, no PUPs or Motorists then.
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Old 30th Sep 2015, 09:08
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Hang on, there was thermite in the twin towers?
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Old 30th Sep 2015, 13:31
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Gupta,

I think the conventional political view is that if Abbott was half a negotiator instead of a total ideologue, he may well still be the PM instead of a has-been sitting in the bleachers. Already we are hearing agreeable noises coming from the Senate cross-bench suggesting that Turnbull with his moderation, communication and negotiation will be considerably more effective and better received. Time may well prove me wrong but I think, and hope, not.
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Old 30th Sep 2015, 14:27
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Turnbull gains credibility because he can deal with a bunch of utterly feral crossbenchers? I suppose, if he can talk sense into these cretins, there might be something to that argument. The big question is: what will be give them for their cooperation?
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Old 30th Sep 2015, 14:49
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That'd be the 'utterly feral, cretin' cross-benchers democratically voted in by the Australian electorate?

How's that "smug little world you've built for yourself...where you just know that your opinions are superior to the opinions of everyone who does not subscribe to your view of the world" traveling atm?
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Old 30th Sep 2015, 15:24
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I think the huggy fluff lefts have got what they whished for. And now they are seriously worried. They can't attact Malcom at the moment, so the continue to attack Tony.

( Hempy is not in this, he has already said he will vote for Malcom)
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Old 30th Sep 2015, 15:37
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The leftists should be worried. As I said earlier, the electorate has had a gut full of extremist politics, left or right.

Moderation. Something ole mate Tone knew nothing about. Turnbull could well be the next Menzies.
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Old 30th Sep 2015, 20:39
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I don't usually post in here but it seems like the best place to ask - does anyone know what's happened to Worrals?

It's a month since she was last active on here.
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Old 1st Oct 2015, 00:49
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A couple of people are commenting elsewhere that they've been given 'a rest' for an undefined time from this thread by the mods. for making personal attacks on those who don't follow the ultra right wing political line. I can't imagine Worrals being guilty of that - but then again, those given 'a rest' insist that they didn't err in that direction themselves.

Turnbull the next Menzies, Hemps? He'll need eyebrow transplants to achieve that. And a colostomy bag. I suspect there's be quite a few here who'd agree about Turnbull needing a colostomy bag - because he's so full if it.
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Old 1st Oct 2015, 02:56
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I see Mr Abbott is continuing to endear himself to the Australian public.

Former prime minister Tony Abbott has returned to the airwaves and revealed he never trusted Malcolm Turnbull, believing he was always intent on seizing the leadership.

In an interview with 3AW broadcaster Neil Mitchell on Thursday, Mr Abbott declined to say whether he had forgiven Mr Turnbull, despite pledging there would be "no sniping" the day after he lost the leadership of the Liberal Party and the country.


Read more: Tony Abbott pleads the Fifth Amendment when asked if he's forgiven Malcolm Turnbull

I mean it was bad enough when he was PM. Now it's just sad, bordering on pathetic
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Old 1st Oct 2015, 08:50
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Chuboy - Latika Bourke is the chief political journalist for Fairfax Media, is that really the best you can do?
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Old 1st Oct 2015, 09:34
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Not sure what you're asking there para. Are you implying Tony didn't really say those things?
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Old 1st Oct 2015, 11:32
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Chuboy

If you've been following the various media of all colours over the past few years, you will have seen that Fairfax journos quite often misreport, misrepresent or just make up comments attributed to Abbott.
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Old 1st Oct 2015, 12:05
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I see that the 'tin foilers' are at it again. Fairfax, Murdoch, the ABC, Channels 7, 9 and 10, Radio, Crikey etc etc etc all were told what to say about Tone by 'the faceless men', and they all quivered in fear and acquiescence to obey the command. I'm sure the faceless men in black suits were all Communists, offspring of the man on the grassy knoll

Or maybe they're just conspiracy theorist paranoid nutjobs.
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