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War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original

Old 6th Sep 2015, 07:38
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THere are certainly some disturbing trrends, MG. Following are the two lead headlines from today's Australian version of the Guardian:

"Abbott under pressure to boost refugee intake amid desperate scenes in Europe
Two Liberal premiers and several cabinet ministers call for action, with Mike Baird saying ‘NSW remains ready and willing to do more than our fair share’ "

"Cheering German crowds greet refugees after long trek from Budapest to Munich"

If I suggest in conversation that there must be a ratio at which the influx of a foreign culture becomes a threat to our own, I'm called a racist, which more or less shuts down debate. The far less demonstrable threat of climate change, on the other hand, is however, a highly acceptable topic to bring up in the same company.

It's a pity, because history shows that large migrations have very serious effects on cultures.

Parabellum's idea is a good one. If it's not popular with young male immigrants, then it would say a lot about whether they have fled from persecution etc or whether they have been attracted by the material benefits of living in the West.

The problem must be dealt with at its source. Taking 20,000 or even 100,000 more immigrants might satisfy some people's need to feel that they are compassionate, but it won't solve the problem and will simply encourage more people to migrate.

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Old 6th Sep 2015, 12:56
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Four 'ghost' pages, that must be a record for deleted posts!
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Old 7th Sep 2015, 12:18
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Originally Posted by parabellum View Post
Four 'ghost' pages, that must be a record for deleted posts!
... That must be a record for modern censorship. We are only being allowed today and read what "they" (whoever they are) allow
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Old 7th Sep 2015, 12:52
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Originally Posted by david1300 View Post
... That must be a record for modern censorship. We are only being allowed today and read what "they" (whoever they are) allow
Why? When a user deletes his/her post it contributes to the "ghost" pages, and only ~70 deleted posts out of >18,600 is a very small number. With only about half of those being moderated posts it shows a very light moderating touch on this thread.

But don't let that spoil your conspiracy theory
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Old 8th Sep 2015, 01:00
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Heh... wouldn't be all them dud labor postings disappearing would it..
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Old 8th Sep 2015, 02:05
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Nahh, must be Liberal following there tradition of backflips I guess.
I suppose it may of been congratulations to Hockey for passing a budget that had to be retracted or the general consensus by the righties on the success of Captain Australia that has diminished
will we ever know
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Old 8th Sep 2015, 02:33
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Shorten is on drugs, I'm sure of it. He just said on AM that the pervious labor government policies stopped the flow of illegal boats.

So this is the new plan, convince the voters that labor stopped the boats.

Trouble is, your average idiot will probably believe it.
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Old 8th Sep 2015, 04:11
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Shorten continually looks out of his depth.
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Old 8th Sep 2015, 04:45
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congratulations to Hockey for passing a budget that had to be retracted


Which parliamentary system are you looking at Ethel?
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Old 8th Sep 2015, 05:23
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so you don't get a sore head SOPs, I think Shorten is indicating that 2 months before your fantastic Tony came into power Rudd announced that any asylum seeker would not be resided in Australia, the amount of boats dramatically dropped and Morrisons evil reign was just an add-on continuation of that policy.
meanwhile back at the ranch I understand that aussie shipping should be reregistered in another country and employ cheaper foreign staff. sounds like Liberal policy 101 to me
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Old 8th Sep 2015, 05:31
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The 'ah/umm' count averages out at 29/min. He's no Menzies as an orator


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Old 8th Sep 2015, 06:29
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Originally Posted by Senior Pilot View Post
Why? When a user deletes his/her post it contributes to the "ghost" pages, and only ~70 deleted posts out of >18,600 is a very small number. With only about half of those being moderated posts it shows a very light moderating touch on this thread.

But don't let that spoil your conspiracy theory
I appreciate your reply, Senior Pilot. More courtesy than many ex-posters have received.

It wasn't all that long ago the "ghost" pages were all reset to 0, and for a good long while the numbers grew very slowly (this is across all threads in JB). This thread used to enjoy very good (actually, excellent) moderating, but I believe times may have changed. There has been quite a rapid growth in ghost pages in the last not-so-short while, and this has parallels with more threads being deleted, and more regular posters disappearing. However, being a mod you would know better than I do, so I note your comments about only approx 70 deleted posts

But I believe that a requirement for posters on this thread is: "don't let facts interfere with your perception of reality"
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Old 8th Sep 2015, 13:58
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Nothing has been deleted by myself and no posts to my knowledge deleted for a few weeks and that was by another mod.

I don't know how the "ghost" pages work but they seem to come and go.

If you don't like the way the forum is run you are of course very welcome to start your own.
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Old 8th Sep 2015, 14:02
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Some doeth protest too much..
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Old 8th Sep 2015, 14:06
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My position on this thread has been clear from the start, that all debate and opinions are welcome but personal abuse towards other posters is not.
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Old 8th Sep 2015, 16:57
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That of course includes personal attacks and false accusations against me or any other mod. So just pull your heads in..
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Old 8th Sep 2015, 18:47
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CFI, to clarify, my previous post was in regards to the ones making the complaints being the ones who're most likely to have had posts moderated.

No one thinks the Mods do a bad job, some posters here just need throw some toys out of the cradle 'sometimes'.

Keep up the good work
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Old 9th Sep 2015, 00:39
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I see the TURC is in turmoil again , allegedly Abbotts star witness ms Jackson was coached, given the questions that she was to be asked and told which labor figures to attack. Who would of thunked it. Lots of question marks on why her phone statement indicates lots of communication with Abetz's office?
And how much is all this costing?
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Old 9th Sep 2015, 02:26
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Which is no doubt why she objected to the line of questioning at TURC, claimed to have been ambushed by Stoljar and has had the TURC recommend charges against her.

Could it have been any worse if she had been coached?

So she blows the whistle on her boss, who's ripped off the union members to the tune of $20 million and blows the whistle on Thompson, who going by the amount he ripped off was even a failure as a rorter and is, in turn, held up as a rorter by the union that had apparently condoned her rorting behavior up to the point that she turned whistle blower.

Seems they're all at it.

Perhaps we need a Royal Commission into the behavior of union officials.

PS CFI I am sure all of us long term lurkers on this thread appreciate your efforts to allow Oz politics to be discussed here; particularly after the closing of several earlier attempts at reasoned discussion.
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Old 9th Sep 2015, 06:00
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Originally Posted by Charlie Foxtrot India View Post
That of course includes personal attacks and false accusations against me or any other mod. So just pull your heads in..
Noted and thank you for your moderation and consideration
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