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War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original

Old 28th Jul 2015, 11:38
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For sure. Politics is as old as humans. Cf. The Twelve Ceasars by Suetonius Tranquillus, who died some time after the year 121 AD (HBO's Game of Thrones certainly milks his work all it can ) for more evidence. His informative political gossip mag is still in publication and still a very good read that perfectly sums up the game.
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https://www.gutenberg.org/files/6400/6400-h/6400-h.htm
From incidental notices in the following History, we learn that he was born towards the close of the reign of Vespasian, who died in the year 79 of the Christian era. He lived till the time of Hadrian, under whose administration he filled the office of secretary; until, with several others, he was dismissed for presuming on familiarities with the empress Sabina, of which we have no further account than that they were unbecoming his position in the imperial court. How long he survived this disgrace, which appears to have befallen him in the year 121, we are not informed; but we find that the leisure afforded him by his retirement, was employed in the composition of numerous works.
Nothing, nothing changes. Successful staffer; played up with the leader's wife, got disgraced, wrote a best-seller.

I doubt that any account of the lives of our current pollies will still be available for purchase in 1800 years time, or even in ten. Maybe that's because pollies don't change and Suetonius summed their breed up a couple of thousand years earlier. Any time any of us get upset about politics or so-called current events such as terrorism (as we all do from time to time) it pays to remember that none of it's very innovative.

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Old 28th Jul 2015, 11:45
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he was dismissed for presuming on familiarities with the empress Sabina, of which we have no further account than that they were unbecoming his position in the imperial court
Probably caught bonking her on the sly!

Like you said Worrals; Nothing, nothing changes! To which I would add, ever!!
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Old 28th Jul 2015, 11:46
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Might one suggest "The Prince" by Niccolo Machiavelli. Absolutely splendid book on all aspects of government from a "political" viewpoint. Current crop on both sides are mere amateurs.
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Old 28th Jul 2015, 18:01
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Reference the Opposition Leaders change on "turn boats around": It seems sensible to keep this option open, until privy to more detail on what has been happening at sea and further afield. He won't have this detail until he forms government.
As recent reports show, our Agencies have almost carte blanch to do whatever it takes to prevent boats from coming to Australia, no matter what party is in government.
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Old 29th Jul 2015, 00:18
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Bronwyn Bishop and her travel claims continued to feature heavily on EhBC radio this morning. If she stays, when parliament sits again, she will give the Labor Party unending opportunities to keep her rorts* in the public eye.

(*Let's be honest here - that's what they are.)

If she was to fall on her sword and get the *** out, at least of the Speaker's Chair and preferably out of parliament itself, Labor could crow for a day of two about their great victory, but after that, they'd be starved of oxygen and Tony Abbott could doubtlessly embarrass quite a few on the Labor side with details of their questionable travel claims if Labor kept pressing the issue.

I can't see it happening, but a sudden health crisis requiring immediate retirement for Ms Bishop would be by far the best option for all concerned. (She 72, FFS!) Labor could have their little victory, but it would be a battle won and a war lost.
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Old 29th Jul 2015, 13:57
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Meanwhile the TURC rumbles on.Some of the stories of thuggery by the CFMEU are eye watering never mind Bill's involvement wgohilst boss of the AWU.However it's all lies isn't it? Just as Worrals didn't want to agree with my past statements about notices on building sites in Victoria saying...No ticket,no start....the blackmailing of construction company owners are all lies and part of the Libs war on unions which is probably why Ethel and the gang refuse to discuss.
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Old 29th Jul 2015, 21:38
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TURC? What's that? So long as Bronwyn Bishop refuses to stand down, the MSM can ignore the TURC completely and keep the front pages full of tales of Bronnie's rorting.

Just as Labor planned it in releasing BB's travel rorts now rather than when they first learned about them. They know her well enough to be certain that her arrogance will ensure the story will linger and linger... and linger.

Tony Abbott could shut this down today if he had the balls to sack her. To date, he's never shown that necessary mongrel streak that every leader requires.
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Old 29th Jul 2015, 23:46
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Point of order Saltie, I don't think Tony Abott can sack her. I think she can only be removed by the house. But I could be wrong.
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Old 30th Jul 2015, 01:19
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I hear she has apologised to the Australian people on 2GB since my earlier post. I think that will only make her position as Speaker even more untenable. Labor will milk this for all it's worth to them.

Stand by for multiple Labor politicians getting kicked out of parliament - and multiple times.
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Old 30th Jul 2015, 02:10
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I'm ordering in the popcorn for when the media start running with the Liberal sponsored tit in exchange for the recent labor tat.

Not much interest in Tony Burke's 16 repayments so far...but its early days and no Member is likely to be exempt - on either side.

Labor's tactics in the House have been to destabilize debate through contrived misbehavior. It's unlikely that will change with a change of Speaker, so the suspensions will continue regardless. But, if Bronwyn has gone, the tactic will be more obvious to the casual follower of politics and, thus, less effective.
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Old 30th Jul 2015, 03:25
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I think Bronny has been feeding off the public teat for long enough (My Local member no less). I think other comments on here are correct. In order to lessen the damage as much as possible, politically, she should just drive off into the sunset and the MSM will eventually divert there short attention to someone else. As a taxpayer (as we all are) nothing grinds my gears more than when pollies do this. All of them, from whatever side they happen to be from. Its just a giant middle finger to each and everyone of us who pays their wages.
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Old 30th Jul 2015, 09:51
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... but not a house of Lords. Although BB and PS most likely wear similar clothing?
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Old 30th Jul 2015, 10:22
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Why don't they look at everyones expenses for the last 10 years? That might be interesting!
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Old 30th Jul 2015, 10:51
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Agreed SOPS, the rot has spread near and far, but who would there be left to do the 'looking'?
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Old 30th Jul 2015, 13:17
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Point of order Saltie, I don't think Tony Abott can sack her. I think she can only be removed by the house. But I could be wrong.
My memory of Constit Law tells me that this is correct. Abbott can only influence/encourage the thief to resign while only the House can sack her. Both are improbable unless the heat Abbott faces becomes intolerable. Maybe he has an asbestos suit!
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Old 30th Jul 2015, 20:59
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After all the carrying on by the Libs over Craig Thomsen and Peter Slipper, Abbott will be made to look like a hypocrite if he supports Bishop in her endeavour to stay on as Speaker - as it would seem he is doing.

The Libs can't have it both ways. She simply has to go if they're to maintain any credibility, but her arrogance and sense of entitlement is so great - or should that be 'engrained' - that she can't see it.
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Old 1st Aug 2015, 01:49
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This is getting silly. BB is at it again.She really has to go.

Bronwyn Bishop 'charged taxpayers $6k for private flight' from Sydney to Nowra | Daily Mail Online
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Old 1st Aug 2015, 03:06
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She's gone.
But will the media give equal time to the labor transgressions?
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Old 1st Aug 2015, 04:30
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If she goes, there is going to be a lot of kicking and screaming.
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Old 1st Aug 2015, 05:00
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If she goes, there is going to be a lot of kicking and screaming.
False alarm, t'was just another earthquake off SEQ.
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