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War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original

Old 19th Jul 2015, 14:20
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There is an up side to the current BB controversy. The media are going to be looking far more closely at SHY's claims for her junket to the Mediterranean.
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Old 19th Jul 2015, 16:28
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They're all into it. Wasn't paying all that much attention at the time, but when the chopper stuff blew up comparison was made to some trip Julia did in the 737 to Queensland to attend a wedding or some such, with a 5 minute trip to a school to justify the trip. Pox on all their houses.
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Old 19th Jul 2015, 22:55
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Have to give the points to Labor for launching a successful distraction to take the heat out of Shorten and the unions. (Note also the article in the Australian today where former ACTU heavyweights are calling for labor to distance itself from the unions.)

Was Bishop aware of the costs she was racking up? Probably not, as those arrangements are left to functionaries.

(We recently had a local Minister attend the UN with the bill coming to $60,000 for two people. The Federal MP attending the same conference had a $12,000 cost. Turned out the arrangements for our Minister were made by the UN to UN standards.))

Is she rorting (or taking advantage of) the system? Quite probably, as they all seem to.

Is she out of touch with public opinion? Yep

Should she go? Why not?

Will the tit for tat that will now follow over individual MP/Senators' spending habits lead to meaningful reform of entitlements? We can only hope.

Should this intense focus on entitlements which are comparatively minor in nature be at the expense of discussion of major corruption and economic reform? Personally, I'd prefer it to be otherwise.
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Old 20th Jul 2015, 00:13
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I'm really looking forward to SHY answering questions about her (make that OUR) outlays during her current sea voyage. And even more, her explaining how all those expenditures were "within the guidelines".
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Old 20th Jul 2015, 00:52
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Bronwyn Bishop has agreed to take the bus to the next Lib fundraiser..

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Old 20th Jul 2015, 01:21
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Very good, hopefully released at destination from a great height.
 
Old 20th Jul 2015, 05:09
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AM - Reform is needed on MP entitlements - Di Natale 20/07/2015

Now the question is, how many here agree with the Greens on this one?
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Old 20th Jul 2015, 05:20
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That's an interesting article. I wonder how he feels about SHY's trip?
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Old 20th Jul 2015, 05:48
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I could find this about it, SOPS. Or are you referring to a different trip?

Yesterday, [SHY] was on board the Migrant Offshore Aid Station (MOAS) vessel, owned by an American millionaire, when 414 adults and children were rescued on the Mediterranean Sea between Libya and Italy.

The MOAS has been accused of acting as a taxi service ferrying asylum seekers from sinking boats to Italy.

Critics claim the boat, which uses drones to find boats in trouble, makes it more attractive for people smugglers to earn more than $400,000 because it provides a *safety net on the Mediterranean.

“Amazing to experience the rescue of 414 men, women & children out here at sea,’’ Ms Hanson-Young tweeted along with a string of photos of asylum seekers taken on board the MOAS vessel.

The Advertiser can reveal Ms Hanson-Young’s liberating experience was made possible thanks to Australian taxpayers. The outspoken Green emptied what remained of her now grandfathered overseas study travel allowance, believed to be about $3000, to assist with flights.

Her office last night confirmed taxpayer funding had paid for an economy class fare home.


A spokeswoman said the remainder of the European trip was personally funded.

Then-prime minister Julia Gillard phased out the perk which MPs had previously used to have “study tours” to places like Las Vegas.
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$3k for economy airfares. Possibly still too much compared to what is commercially available, sadly it still pales in comparison Bronwyn's helicopter taxi rides, let alone what she (sorry, we) paid for her European escapade.

FYI, Richard di Natale's overseas trip was entirely self-funded.

Some food for thought. I have been led to believe by the enthusiastic contributors to this thread that it is the Greens who traditionally promote leeching off the public purse. World's gone mad I suppose?
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Old 20th Jul 2015, 09:47
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Note also the article in the Australian today where former ACTU heavyweights are calling for labor to distance itself from the unions.
Which heavyweights, out of interest? I didn't get today's Oz.
Some former heavyweights have been off the Labor Christmas Card list for quite some time.

I don't see 800 grand as minor, particularly from an MP whose government has continually abused and vilified public servants for their apparent sense of entitlement, including those public servants within the border agencies who actually do the counter-terrorism and border protection work that said government has rampantly milked for every political point they can scrounge.

The way it's been explained to me by someone who understands this stuff (I don't) is that the problem is that she used the chopper to attenda party political event, not a government event. If it had been a government event then so be it (though still a bad look), but as a party event she shoudn't even have claimed a Com-car, let alone a chopper. Apparently MPs can only use their government entitlements for government business, not party stuff.

Arguing that she discussed parliamentary procedures so it was therefore government business would be like me charging all my holidays to my employer because they involved transport . I know what my employer would say if I tried it, but it's not suitable for publication.

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Old 20th Jul 2015, 11:53
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Kelty, Crean, Ferguson, George and a couple of others of similar stature, Worrals.

Just part of the "How we deal with the TURC fallout" I think.

I think your $800,000 for Bronny includes legitimate operating costs for the Speaker' Office, including staff wages?

Agree that party political stuff should not be subsidised by the taxpayer, but those casting the stones do not appear to be without sin.

Also wondering why labor waited 8 months to bring it on.

It still smacks of hypocrisy writ large while winning maximum points for diversionary tactics.

Also seems to me that charging attendees a fee to hear her talk about parliamentary business could be construed as using your official position for financial gain. I think there's some laws about that too.

Meanwhile, back in the real Territory, our fourth female CLP parliamentarian in three years has resigned from the party and gone independent. She also happens to be the Speaker.
The CLP is now in minority government but two of the five independents have said they will not support the vote of no confidence necessary for an early election.
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Old 20th Jul 2015, 12:15
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but two of the five independents have said they will not support the vote of no confidence necessary for an early election.
In case they lose their seats, perhaps?


Sprintman - Can you give any credible source for that rumour please? Sounds a lot like more ALP muck raking.
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Old 20th Jul 2015, 13:06
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Cheers CoodaShooda. No doubt they've all hatched a concrete plan to fund the ALP using bake sales, sausage sizzles and memberships, which will make the unions completely redundant. Can't wait to hear how it will work. Nasty ol' unions, they can take their money elsewhere! [said no Labor government ever]

And yes the 800 grand would include legit claims. However, it still doesn't justify the party chopper, nor the complete denial that followed. IMO the denial and lack of apology has been far more harmful than the actual event.
It still smacks of hypocrisy writ large while winning maximum points for diversionary tactics.
Politics be politics; given the opportunity the Libs would have done exactly the same thing.
Meanwhile, back in the real Territory, our fourth female CLP parliamentarian in three years has resigned from the party and gone independent.
Are the Libs/CLP asking themselves if there's a problem, or not? Bear in mind that the Queensland LNP never saw any issues; they were awesome (you only had to ask them), right up until the night they lost government. Now they're in opposition, asking themselves why. Sounds like your guys/gals need to start asking questions before the electorate answers those questions for them.
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Old 20th Jul 2015, 13:17
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Labor's Bob Ellis reported to have only days to live. Cancer apparently.
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Old 20th Jul 2015, 13:50
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Labor's Bob Ellis reported to have only days to live. Cancer apparently.
I can hear the LNP cheering from here. Not exactly known for their 'humanitarian' side, I'm sure the hopes are simply for an LNP win in the by-election..
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Old 20th Jul 2015, 14:13
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Um no Hempy, no chearing from me. Regardless of politics I would not wish anyone Cancer and death.
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Old 20th Jul 2015, 23:06
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Liver cancer, nasty .
He's not actually an MP, is he? I thought he was a staffer.
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Old 20th Jul 2015, 23:59
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I can hear the LNP cheering from here. Not exactly known for their 'humanitarian' side, I'm sure the hopes are simply for an LNP win in the by-election..
Unfairly nasty - and way off base in this case, Hempy. Ellis is not a Member of Parliament. He's a Labor commentator and (almost invariably REALLY inaccurate) predictor of election results. His predictions are so inaccurate - usually a case of wishful thinking rather than research - that for years, if not decades, he has been a bit of a joke in conservative circles.

Having said that, when news of his illness was made public, (I saw it last night on the Paul Murray show), the comments made by the conservative members of the panel were diametrically different to what you implied in your post.

Sometimes, it might pay to wind back the knee-jerk ideological hatred just a tad, digger.
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Old 21st Jul 2015, 01:34
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Fair comment, MTOW.
Ellis did have a brain but I fear he'd misplaced it.

Now, we're going to do something about the parasites in our society.
A week or so ago the old-age pensioners were the suck...
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Old 21st Jul 2015, 01:54
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'No one does "hate" like the Left'. Hempy's on my 'ignore' list.
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