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War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original

Old 16th Jul 2015, 13:04
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How Abbott ruined One Nation

Abbotts Slush fund to ruin One Nation


Then he stole her policies...
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Old 16th Jul 2015, 13:07
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I hope not...but we may have a suicide bomber with a hostage in Bunbury, Western Australia, as we speak.
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Old 16th Jul 2015, 14:54
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“demanding that the established culture and norms here change…..”

Again, who is trying to force this change? The people you fear make up less than 1% of Australia. They have no power in Canberra at all, they have no political sway and yet you think they are going take away your “freedoms” and impact your “cultural norms”.
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Old 16th Jul 2015, 15:34
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Mr again, they may only be 1% of the population but their influence on society is reflected far beyond their numbers. I live in the UK and the numbers are frightening. London's most numerous registered name is Mohammed. A big drain on the NHS as well. Lots of first cousins marrying.
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Old 16th Jul 2015, 20:15
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they have no political sway
You wanna bet? In the suburbs where they predominate who do you think a politician listens to - if s/he wants their vote.
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Old 16th Jul 2015, 23:37
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The people you fear make up less than 1% of Australia. They have no power in Canberra at all, they have no political sway
oic, you say yourself that you're not currently living in Australia, so how in the world can you feel that you can make a comment like that if you don't live here? In four or more Federal and State seats in Sydney's western suburbs, (some of which are fast approaching becoming Islamic ghettos), the Muslim 'vote' is in excess of 20% - and politically speaking, it's a very 'noisy' (some would say 'canny') 20%.

And I can assure you that the politicians in Canberra and Macquarie St - on both sides of politics - are fine-tuning their attitudes and comments to keep that 20% happy, for at both the State and Federal level, those four or five seats are all-important in deciding which Party wins government. (Watch Tony Abbott bend over backwards to avoid mentioning the 'M' or the 'I' word after any terrorist attack, and as for 'our' ABC's (un)reporting of any such incident...)

Mike Baird, the Liberal Premier of NSW, is today attending - and making a speech - at an Eid celebration in SW Sydney (celebrating the end of Ramadan). I don't recall seeing him - or any other politician - supplanting George Pell's replacement on the pulpit at St Pat's or St Andrews, the Anglican equivalent. (At the same time, a similar celebration organised by the Australian Federal Police in Sydney to promote understanding was cancelled after Islamic leaders refused to attend it.)

In short, not to put too fine a point to it, you're utterly wrong in what you say.
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Old 17th Jul 2015, 02:08
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Chuboy: have you actually read Pauline Hansons first speech to Parliament which is the one where she was first accused of racism?

The media dammed her then and forever afterwards.

I suggest if you have not read it please do or, have a reread of it then come back and tell us if you still consider her racist.
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Old 17th Jul 2015, 03:13
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I think Pauline Hanson's maiden speech will be seen by some (but by no means by all) in the future as Australia's very own 'Rivers of Blood' speech.

Reading the whole speech, I think most would agree that it's relatively mild, and to date, time has shown that a far more deserving migrant group for her ire has emerged rather than the one she chose as her target back then (who, apart from a rather active group involved in drugs and organised crime*, have proven themselves to be exemplary additions to our society).

* Something common to every new migrant group - refer to the recent disclosures on 4 Corners about the Italian Mafia in Australia.

In much the same way as it did with Enoch Powell's speech, the media (along with the professionally outraged) latched on to and isolated one sentence that when read in context with the rest of the speech, does not come across nearly as bad as it sounds in isolation.

I hasten to conclude that Pauline Hanson's speech comes a far distant second to Enoch Powell's speech. And Pauline Hanson was doomed the moment the crazies attached themselves to her Party. As, I fear, will any breakaway conservative party that attempts to form itself in opposition to the Liberals in the immediate future.
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Old 17th Jul 2015, 04:28
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Again, who is trying to force this change? The people you fear make up less than 1% of Australia. They have no power in Canberra at all, they have no political sway and yet you think they are going take away your “freedoms” and impact your “cultural norms”.
If just 1% of the population, congregated within the inner city of, say, three cities, choose to ignore any laws and norms that don't suit them, secure in the knowledge that if they are taken to court they can lie and cheat their way out of it with impunity and the help of a crooked lawyer who shares their views then the effect on the law abiding, conforming population can be immense and they naturally react with righteous indignation, only to be pilloried by the left leaning media.
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Old 17th Jul 2015, 05:45
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Well said Para
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Old 17th Jul 2015, 06:07
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And here we have an example of some one following our cultural norms, and marrying off his 12 year old daughter.

NSW Muslim convert who married off 12-year-old daughter is jailed for six years* | Daily Mail Online

Come on Sarah, tell us how it all ok.

But wait....there is more.....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ide-court.html
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Old 17th Jul 2015, 06:09
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What percentage of the 1% 'choose to ignore any laws and norms'?

p.s SOPS, how did his 'impunity', 'lying and cheating' and 'crooked lawyer' go in that circumstance?
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Old 17th Jul 2015, 11:10
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You wanna bet? In the suburbs where they predominate who do you think a politician listens to - if s/he wants their vote.
A few years ago, then yes I'd agree with you absolutely re political influence. In these post IS/ Lindt Coffee shop times I think that influence has withered on the vine.

Prior to that, politically the few seats had some sway against the majority (particularly in NSW and Victoria) but they were always a few seats, as opposed to the majority seats that were fairly apathetic. The majority seats are no longer apathetic, not by a long shot. This makes appeasing a few seats far less politically attractive. IMO pandering to the minority in the minority seats was never politically attractive and did Labor a lot of long-term damage, but that was the way they called it. Unfortunately the system pushes pollies towards short-term gains, particlularly now so many federal MPs (from both sides, but particuarly Ministers) have become allergic to getting out in the field and talking to real people (which can be embarassing and confronting), preferring instead to listen to staffers, focus groups and assorted hangers-on who tell them what they like to hear.

In a post IS/Lindt siege Australia there is no political advantage to winning a handful of inner city seats in Sydney and Melbourne if the tactics alienate voters in all the other seats. This definitely applies at the federal level, and probably at a state level now the amount of former pork-barrelling in those seats has been exposed. In the current climate I see no political advantage for either major party to pander to a handful of seats at the expense of a big wad of other seats that aren't particularly effnick and didn't appreciate the pandering even before the shit started to float.

Apart from the Greens (who have their own micro-barrel to push, which has won them a micro level of seats although since losing the balance of power they still punch above their weight wrt media white noise ), politically it's been pretty quiet on the effnick front. Sure there are outliers (generally the MPs in those seats), but at a party level it's been vewwy vewwy quiet. Recently, even Labor have been content to run a fairly timid 'rule of law, one rule for all' line, and that's only when pushed for comment. It's not 2013 any more.
EDIT; good news about the jail sentence. May there be more of them as required.

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Old 17th Jul 2015, 12:51
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I don't think Tanya Pill-berserk has got your message about post IS/Lindt siege Australia , Worrals. She's having to do exactly what you say Labor no longer needs to do to try to maintain her seat. Unless she goes as far left as she dares, (not that she seems to need any encouragement to do that), she's at some risk of losing her seat to the Greens. And she knows it.

How wonderfully kismet it would be to se Labor put Tanya up as their new leader and then have her 'do "a Howard"' and lose her seat.
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Old 17th Jul 2015, 13:21
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As I'm not a follower of the left side of politics...what seat does Tanya hold?
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How wonderfully kismet it would be to se Labor put Tanya up as their new leader
I don't see that happening. Of course I've been wrong before... However, Pilbersek's family situation makes it difficult to see her as a Labor leader/potential PM, even if she were the best option. Has it been raised? (and wishful thinking/rampant speculation by the Murdoch commentary gang doesn't count).
AFAIK she's never publicly aspired to be leader, any more than Julie Bishop has. The MSM can run all the speculative opinion pieces they like (gotta fill those pages, the advertisers certainly don't ) but so far she hasn't thrown her hat in the ring. Albo is the only declared opposition to the opposition leader at this stage.

As for a Greens challenge, it's not my backyard, but whatever the turf it takes a lot of oomph to roll a senior shadow minister who's on telly a lot, particularly if you're a small-time leftie party candidate seeking to roll a a popular leftie shadow minister. If the Greens ran a high profile candidate against her then maybe, but again... is that on the cards?
As I'm not a follower of the left side of politics...what seat does Tanya hold?
Sydney.
Tanya Plibersek ? Federal Member for Sydney
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Old 17th Jul 2015, 15:30
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Next question...what is her family situation?
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Old 17th Jul 2015, 22:36
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Her husband, now a senior state bureaucrat, has, shall we say, a 'colourful past'. One that would prevent him accompanying her to many countries overseas, including the USA.
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Old 18th Jul 2015, 00:29
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Plibersek held the seat of Sydney at the last federal election with a narrow margin.

She has a traditional Leftist past, though she's not from the union movement - bright at school, university women's officer, first job with government office for the advancement of women, transition to political staffer, pre-selection and seat in Parliament. She's a member of Emily's list, and put simply, pro gender equality, pro indigenous equality, pro abortion, criticises Israel as a 'rogue state' and was against the Iraq war. She's on the Left within the ALP. She's also very ambitious. In my opinion, she is careful in her public statements to appear fair and conciliatory, expressing her heartfelt agreement that you feel aggrieved but not actually promising to do anything about it. She seems to me to be clever, ambitious, and deeply Leftist in her thinking. In other words, like Cassius, she is dangerous, from my point of view.
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Old 18th Jul 2015, 07:15
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Good ole Bronny. Holds a press conference to explain one tax payer funded flight to a lib fundraiser, leaves the press conference after being asked about at least 3 more unexplained flights and no apology. Performance art at its best.

Of course, she still has Tonys 'full support'
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