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War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original

Old 4th Jul 2015, 12:21
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Wow, are we back onto the Lebanese bashing again, the righties were only doing this about 8 pages back, if I had time I could go back over the threads and predict which community next will be attacked and labeled by the actions of the few. Or are they just blindly following the shock jock lead?
It's nice to see the lady that dum dum and Pyne so vervaciously admired in parliament for being an honourable person and whistleblower has allegedly stolen more than the people she informed on. You couldn't make this stuff up!

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Old 4th Jul 2015, 12:31
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Have to agree that Ms Jackson seems to be as dodgy as hell, Ethel. But she did shop Williamson and Thomson, so, however dodgy she may be, we have to thank her for that.
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Old 4th Jul 2015, 18:19
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Takan,

“Does something tell you otherwise?”

Just look at the implications behind some of the posts on this page alone.

About 2% of Australians are Muslim. Lets get way out there and pretend 50% of these folk would like to have you “succumb to their system”. That means you fear 1% of the population.

This is not rational.

This issue is not about Muslims forcing Australia to move away from “our way” or “succumb to their system” or “bend over for them”. Its about having your attention diverted away from ineffective Government policy onto the classic fake problem/manufactured solution that Governments resort to when they are out of ideas.

“Do we also revert to the law of the jungle/desert because that's what they expect?”

“Of course this is not the Middle-Eastern way, but it's our way. If we move away from that . . . .”

“If we succumb to their system . . . . “

“But our huggy fluff legal type people just seem to want to bend over for them.
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Old 4th Jul 2015, 22:32
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About 2% of Australians are Muslim. Lets get way out there and pretend 50% of these folk would like to have you “succumb to their system”. That means you fear 1% of the population.
100 snakes in a dark room, only one is deadly. Would you have no fear to walk in? It is only 1% after all.
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Old 4th Jul 2015, 22:49
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Well said. One random member of a crowd with a gun makes the crowd dangerous.

That's why our society sanctions crime. Only a tiny proportion of us may have criminal intent, but the effects of that proportion's success are unwanted, so we take measures against it.

It's a version of the precautionary principle in risk management championed by proponents of climate change: the effects of the fears becoming reality are serious, so we must take precautions.
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Old 4th Jul 2015, 22:55
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Oic, I can only suggest that, living out of Australia as you do, you not worry about any of it. Either the wildly overstated and imagined changes that 2% are or are not bringing to the country or the overreaction of the crazy few who post here who don't like those imaginary changes. Nothing to be seen here. Move along.
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Old 5th Jul 2015, 01:24
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On the issue of the 'Islamic problem', saltie, time will tell who is is more right. You might consider, though, developments in France and Scandinavia, and consider the heavy security precautions next time you travel, their costs (which you pay) and the reasons for them.

As to 2% not mattering, indigenous Australians make up less than 2% of the population, and I would say that a considerably smaller proportion are gay and want to marry.

So, assuming that you are in Australia and your political views are 'progressive' rather than conservative, I suppose you would suggest that everyone ignores those two issues as well.
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Old 5th Jul 2015, 03:29
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RJM, I think it would be a pretty safe bet that saltie would have inserted a "/sarc" icon at the end of his post if there was one. I really wonder what it will take to change the minds - or should that be 'remove the blinkers' - of those who keep telling us there's nothing to worry about with the fast growing* Islamic section of our society. They really are creating a parallel society within Australian society - and one that quite openly says it wants to remain separate from the rest of Australian society (except on Centrelink pay day).

*And far faster growing than all other sections of our society.
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Old 5th Jul 2015, 04:02
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Here is a start....no English speaking? No welfare.
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Old 5th Jul 2015, 09:20
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I had to give the Lebbos their due - they could court a woman like few men from the West could - or would.
I dunno, Italians are pretty good at it. So are the Irish, but let's not go there .

On another note, if you are young enough (or old enough ) to be familiar with the film The Breakfast Club, this Jules/Rudd version is pretty funny.
https://vimeo.com/132581454
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Old 5th Jul 2015, 09:46
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Come on Worrals, tell us, what makes the Irish so good?
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Old 5th Jul 2015, 10:05
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Blarney.
He ended up marrying the next one off the conveyor belt, so as far as I'm concerned I got off lightly. MMID Syndrome is not limited to Mohammeds. MSID (with an S for Seamus) was equally contagious, particularly during the Aussie construction boom when plane loads of Irish subbies arrived on working 'holiday' visas.
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Old 6th Jul 2015, 04:46
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Midday news says that 30 billion (that's Billion) dollars were stripped from the value of stocks on the ASM in one morning today in reaction to the Greeks' 'no' vote. While there will be some good buys to be had for the adventurous, I wonder, unless some quick fix is put in place by the EU banks, if the 'ripple' effect (some might describe it as something bigger than a 'ripple'!) will affect the lives of quite a few here?

The most obvious to be badly affected will be self-funded retirees, whose income from investments, already minimal, could be reduced even more, but I suspect it could 'ripple'(!) down to affect quite a few others as well.

Am I being alarmist, or could this sorry mess affect us all?

I'm gob-smacked to see tens of thousands of Greeks celebrating the overwhelming 'no' vote. Where do they think the money they're voting themselves to continue to receive will be coming from?
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Old 6th Jul 2015, 05:07
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I remember a quote somewhere around here about democracy being stuffed once the people realise they can vote goodies for themselves. It ties in nicely with the one about socialism being great until you run out of other people's money.
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Old 6th Jul 2015, 07:23
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What I wonder is just how much does the Greek situation really effect the Australian stock market and how much is panic induced selling by brokers who get paid for a transaction, be it up or down?


(I'm a cynical self funded retiree!).


Spain have now, like Greece, voted in a hard left government so will they be next?
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Old 6th Jul 2015, 08:24
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If nothing else, the value of the Euro will affect the cost of our imports and the price exports to the Euro zone.
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Old 6th Jul 2015, 13:35
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The Greek gummit has a couple of wild cards apart from their outstanding loans to worry them. The tens of thousands of illegal immigrants transiting the country (I doubt if many will want to stay) and our friend Vlad, who could really make things interesting if he was to make them an offer they can't refuse.

I'm like others here. I cannot understand where the Greek people who voted no think the money to continue life as they've become accustomed to will come from. I see the dual Greek/Australian finance minister has resigned. Does that mean he'll come back here? Oh joy. I know where he'll fit in well.
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Old 6th Jul 2015, 23:20
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Not one pro-Greek articles I've read anywhere has addressed the fact that fully half of Greeks simply do not pay their taxes.

Their budget deficit would become an equally large budget surplus if the government merely collected the rest of the taxes it was owed each year.

A lesson for any government that thinks it can afford to turn a blind eye to tax evasion. It all started with the richest in Greece thinking they needn't pay their taxes because they got nothing in return. It was a slippery slope from there and the attitude seems well and truly ingrained now.

I do feel for the young people of Greece who have been royally screwed over by their elders.
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Old 6th Jul 2015, 23:38
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I do feel for the young people of Greece who have been royally screwed over by their elders.
They don't call it Greek for nothing, how do you think cultural behavoirs are past on.
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Old 7th Jul 2015, 02:28
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That's rather cryptic.
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