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War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original

Old 29th Jun 2015, 00:33
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In the interests of balance, perhaps the ABC should also report on what would be involved in the AFP trying to bring the family out of the Islamic State.

(Silly me. Such a report would fail to cast the Abbott government in a poor light, so would not pass the ABC editorial standards.)

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As I understand what has been reported, Tara was estranged from her mother when she met and married Sharrouf.
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Old 29th Jun 2015, 00:41
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They made a choice to go to Syria.Now they have to live with it.

Those children will not grow up with a balanced outlook on life after what they have seen there,and been through.

Now the grandma wants Australian government help to get them back ?

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Old 29th Jun 2015, 00:51
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The other issue is 'pour encourager les autres'.

Letting Sharrouf's 'widow' back, notwithstanding she has children, will indicate to theirs that it's possible to be merely a visiting terrorist or terrorist supporter. If you don't like it, then you can come back to the bosom of the Australian welfare system and take up where you left off.

That's not good for any mothers and children of the future who decide that the Islamic State is better than here.
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Old 29th Jun 2015, 00:53
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I'm worried that Hempy thinks I am a right wing fringe that needs something to hate. All I am is concerned for the future of my country.
That's nothing. Someone reading my posts here has just told me I sound like Colonel Blimp, which I took as a compliment.
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Old 29th Jun 2015, 01:26
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Excellent point RJM (about not encouraging terrorist tourism)
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Old 29th Jun 2015, 02:13
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Those children will not grow up with a balanced outlook on life after what they have seen there,and been through.
And we don't know what the kids have been through, besides holding severed heads and posing with weapons in hand. I wonder if their indoctrination to weapons included live target shooting, if you get my meaning.
And if the mother stood by and watched her 15 year old get married, then her judgment should be seriously under question
Marriage is not a democracy in this case SOPS, women are chattels.
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Old 29th Jun 2015, 02:46
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megan, two Yazidi girls who were taken captive by ISIS became servants to the Sharrouf family before escaping. They gave details of the children's behaviour which did not paint a pretty picture, saying the children threatened to behead them when unhappy with their performance.

I did an online search with "Yazidi girls working for Sharrouf family" and came up with quite a few links, including these:
No Cookies | dailytelegraph.com.au
ISIS | Khaled Sharrouf, Mohamed Elomar ?raped Yazidi women?
Australian Islamic State fighters accused of enslaving Yazidi women - 22/01/2015
Australian jihadists Khaled Sharrouf and Mohamed Elomar accused of enslaving Yazidi women in Islamic State stronghold - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

I haven't read the links above, but I did read part of this one

http://www.christianpost.com/news/ya...-syria-139184/

and it does not make for pleasant reading.
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Old 29th Jun 2015, 03:11
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I don't think we need any of them back. I can understand why their grandmother feels differently, but that's too bad; she reminds me of Scott Rush's father. Why on earth should the AFP help? I've also read a bit about what their slaves had to say, and it's not pretty. They've been married for over fifteen years and she went voluntarily with the kids; it's not like they were all bundled into suitcases. I smell a racket and crocodile tears, and in any case I agree with RJM that letting them back in would be a sign of weakness.
Any of us could be on a bus, or in a restaurant, or at work, and become a victim of random Islamic violence.
With no disrespect to any of the victims, it becomes much less likely if you don't visit the Middle East. Was anyone here planning a trip to Tunisia or a Shi'ite mosque in Kuwait any time soon? I sure wasn't.
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Old 29th Jun 2015, 03:23
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As soon a Labar get back in to power, they'll be welcomed home and given a truck load of compensation. And probably flown back business class - at taxpayers' expense.

Or do you have to be the family of convicted drug dealers to get that perk?
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Old 29th Jun 2015, 03:24
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Worrals ... I've been quite close to a couple of Irish bangs in Britain. The local R.C. Priest was found to have a large amount of explosives down in his crypt as well... this was in Coventry by the way not N.I. so you don't have to go overseas these days to be involved.


P.s. an interesting fact viz the IRA etc.
More people were killed in the attack on the Twin Towers, one day, than died in all the years of the 'troubles' in Ireland. It may be true that you are safer in Oz than Tunisia but .........

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Old 29th Jun 2015, 04:22
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I worked with a fellow in the ME who had done a couple of tours in NI. He said it was quite weird in that they (the Brits) knew exactly who the PIRA leadership were and recognised them going about their normal lives on the street, but were unable to touch them because they (the Brits) had to stay within the law. Particularly after the unpleasantness in Gibraltar, the human rights lawyers in London were on a hair trigger to come running to prosecute even the most minor infringement of the letter of the law by the government forces.

And we complain today about the EhBC.
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Old 29th Jun 2015, 04:48
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As soon a Labar get back in to power, they'll be welcomed home and given a truck load of compensation. And probably flown back business class - at taxpayers' expense.

Or do you have to be the family of convicted drug dealers to get that perk?
What a load of drivel! Do you really believe the stuff you write?
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Old 29th Jun 2015, 05:08
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Geez, Ken. Are you telling me you believe what you read on the internet?
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Old 29th Jun 2015, 05:10
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And probably flown back business class - at taxpayers' expense.
Surely they deserve better treatment than that. After all, Hicks got a private jet. Perhaps they'd settle for first class.
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Old 29th Jun 2015, 05:21
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Ken, do I believe that Labor, when they get back in to power, (especially if they have to keep the likes of SHY on side - but even without that factor), will welcome back Sharrouf's family and that there'll be calls, almost certain to be granted, that the children, and perhaps even the wife, be paid compensation?

Yes, I really do. Some because they really think it is the right thing to do; others, the cynics, because they recognise that they have a growing - and growing very large - western Sydney voter base of a particular persuasion they will do anything to keep happy.

It astounded me when it happened, but under the current Liberal government, the taxpayer paid for the return of the bodies of the two executed drug runners from Indonesia AND the taxpayer paid for business class tickets for their immediate families - the same families who found enough funds to fly to Indonesia at least 10 times and stay on in Indonesia for extended periods in the years their sons were in prison.

And you think it is "drivel" to believe that Labor won't do as I suggest? I suppose time will tell, for unfortunately, Labor will one day return to power in Canberra and then, unfortunately, we'll see who's talking drivel.
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Old 29th Jun 2015, 05:57
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MTOW.....in Britain during the 60s' / 70s' whenever there was an 'event' the Plods. would,without fail, say something like," police officers raided the homes of known IRA extremists". This was in Britain a bit like today when just about every Islamic 'terrorist' is known to have visited mosques complete with radical preachers.
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Old 29th Jun 2015, 06:36
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MTOW, you give the Labor Party too much credit. They aren't the actual 'Left' like they were 30-40 years ago; in 2015 (actually, since Latham) they aren't much different to the LNP i.e. clamouring solely for power. This is why the Greens are in the position they are in - disaffected Right Wing voters looking for a real voice.

Both major parties (if you call the coalition a 'party'..) simply pander to populist outcomes these days. I don't think bringing the Sharroufs home on a red carpet fits that agenda.
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Old 29th Jun 2015, 07:51
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Hempy, I agree with your first two sentences. However, Greens voters disaffected right wingers??? Now that's a bit of stretch, even for you.

...and if you're right in your last sentence, how do you explain Gillian Triggs and the adoring crowds at events where she speaks?
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Old 29th Jun 2015, 08:18
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MTOW, imo the Greens exist simply because the Democrats do not. People are looking for someone to 'keep the bastards honest'.

Triggs is a different kettle of fish. She has her own agenda, and it gets played in the media simply because it's 'anti-government'. It just so happens that the current government is LNP. I don't think she's anti-Liberal per se, just anti-Liberal policy.
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Old 29th Jun 2015, 08:23
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Ans it's not that women's job to have any view on any policy, not publicly at least.
She was put. In there by Labor, who hoped she would be a time bomb for the Libs.
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