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War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original

Old 22nd Jun 2015, 11:27
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RJM. Why? Because the average working man likes to know that there is someone on their side, and not the blood-sucking, profit for themselves Double Bay blue bloods I'd suggest.

Regardless of 'unionism', the ALP exists for the rights of the worker. Untill you get rid of all those dirty money grabbing workers, good luck with your wish for your 'one party' (actually 2, it's called a 'Coalition' for a reason..) aristocracy.
So much for being a centrist.
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Old 22nd Jun 2015, 13:58
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...after Gillard (and Bligh in Queensland)
You forgot Carmen Lawrence, Joan Kirner and even Christina Keneally. And Clare Martin in the NT a few years ago.

Whatever happens with the ALP leadership, you can't deny that it's good entertainment!

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Old 22nd Jun 2015, 22:39
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If I could play devil's advocate for one moment, I think it has to be said that at least with Keneally (NSW) and Alphabetchook (Qld) - (but not, I'll accept, with Lawrence and Kirner) - the Labor Party putting women into the top jobs could be quite accurately described as handing them a poisoned chalice. Some would say, a poisoned chalice with a ticking bomb on a very short fuse attached to it.
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Old 22nd Jun 2015, 23:14
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Certainly that was the case with Keneally. After the NSW Labor Right installed then sacked Carr, then Iemma, then Rees, no-one was willing to take the job in the face of the looming electoral defeat. Then someone remembered the girl in the office.

'Hey, Kristina, are you busy?'

She wasn't. Still, her short term as Premier has enabled her to build a career as something of an icon and commentator. She didn't do a bad job of a doomed gig, and while she was always her masters' (NSW Labor Right) voice, she appeared to have a slight will of her own. At least she's not regarded as a Labor hack like career politician Carmel Tebbutt, former deputy premier of NSW.
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Old 22nd Jun 2015, 23:52
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Because the average working man likes to know that there is someone on their side, <snip> Regardless of 'unionism', the ALP exists for the rights of the worker.
Looks like they've fooled you too, Hempy.

The ALP exists as a tool of the Unions, who represent about 13% of the total workforce. The Unions are a there for protection, but not the kind you might think. It's a protection racket enshrined in legislation that allows employers to buy industrial peace.

If you disagree, follow the antics of your "protectors" at the Trade Union Royal Commission Michael Smith News where they are digging themselves into a very deep hole. The overriding picture is dirty grubby deals with lots of under the table cash, threats and intimidation, violence, contempt for the law, fraud - the list is extensive and the players are many.
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Old 22nd Jun 2015, 23:58
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Unions do good work too, but, as with the Spanish Inquisition, any good work by ordinary nuns and priests is overshadowed by the self-seeking antisocial behaviour of those nearer the top.
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Old 23rd Jun 2015, 00:12
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Unions do good work too,
Unions are a tool of a bygone era. They had a valuable input to our society and positive change. But like all these things, they became corrupt with time and become obseesed with ideology and power.

Sadley the side effects of that is, there are some industrys that still need them, but their causes are overshadowed by the corrupt major unions. The vast majority of industry relises the importance of the worker and productivity.

Safety has improved more under various worksafe and mines department legislation than it ever did under unions. Ironically its usually the worker winging about too much safety now. There are still rouge companies outthere, but their being breed out.

I remmeber the corrupt Pilbara days of unionisim, and frankly since we got rid of them conditions etc have impoved significantly.
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Old 23rd Jun 2015, 00:24
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An interesting (to put it mildly) development at the TURC that has the potential to (shall we say) "change the dynamics" of any Labor leadership change.

News - THINGS THAT SLIP OUT IN THE HEAT OF THE MOMENT - The Pickering Post
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Old 23rd Jun 2015, 01:04
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'Hey, Kristina, are you busy?'
Kristina Keneally is believed to have had some dubious dealings with NSW property dealers, some of whom are thought to have organised crime links, it is quite possible that when the call came Kristina didn't have much choice?
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Old 23rd Jun 2015, 01:57
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For those in denial about the honesty and integrity of people who claim to represent "working Australians". Fresh from the Trade Union Royal Commission.

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Old 23rd Jun 2015, 02:58
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Kristina Keneally is believed to have had some dubious dealings with NSW property dealers
Some people have all the luck, wish she had some dubious dealings with me
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Old 23rd Jun 2015, 03:04
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Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I can't help feeling that that little bombshell dropped in the TURC on Friday naming Mr Coutts(-Trotter)- the one solitary instance where someone COULD remember in an ocean of amnesia - might not have been a deliberate move by Labor's right wing dirty tricks department to cruel the leadership pitch for the ultra Left Tanya.

While I can't condone the gutter tactics, I have to admit that if this is so, I hope it proves to be successful. I shudder to think what would become of this country if Plibersek ever became Prime Minister.
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Old 23rd Jun 2015, 04:00
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What did anyone remember MTOW? All I see is a witness agreeing that the words being quoted to him are the same words on the piece of paper in front of him. The text has now been introduced into evidence.
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Old 23rd Jun 2015, 04:52
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Website blocking bill has passed the senate.

Let's hope this doesn't cost much to administrate (just kidding, it's a government program so it's going to cost millions just to draft the regulations and each site needs to be added to the blacklist by court order). My understanding is that the site blocking can be completely bypassed using a VPN from just $40 per year per household, or even for free using a web proxy.

Silly move really, average joe only learned how to pirate in the first place because legal content was such a pain to access. Had the content been easily accessible, torrenting would be something only nerds knew how to do.

Now, rather than get with the times and accept the reality of doing business in the internet era, content providers have kicked another own goal by providing yet another incentive for people to learn how to circumvent the "legal" process. You don't win these customers back until the free, legal access methods are easier to live with, on balance, than pirating.

Great to see our overlords are still kowtowing to lobbyists though.
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Old 23rd Jun 2015, 05:08
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Have to agree with you on that one Chuboy. Having lived in the ME for many years, where it seemed every second web site was blocked, as simple $40 outlay fixed the problem.

It's easy to get around, and a complete waste of time trying to block web sites.
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Old 23rd Jun 2015, 05:24
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Meanwhile, in other news, 'community leaders ' are complaining that the government is only spending $40 million over 3 years on programmes to deradicalise disaffected youth.

4o million...give me a break.

I suggest just rounding up all these poor poor people who, for whatever strange reason, find living in Australia so hard, and just give them a one way ticket to any country of their choice.

I bet it would cost a lot less than $40 mill.
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Old 23rd Jun 2015, 08:40
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and just give them a one way ticket to any country of their choice.
And make sure that they can never come back!

I suspect that there would be ways and means of ensuring a non-return.
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Old 23rd Jun 2015, 09:25
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I think that maybe, just maybe the ALPBC went too far on last nights Q and A.

I think they just might find themselves in a little bit of do-do over this.

Watch this space.
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Old 23rd Jun 2015, 10:34
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Have to agree with you on that one Chuboy.
Cough cough, spit choke, sadely I have to as well.. trying to prevent anything on the web is a pain in the @rse and there will always be away around. Save the effort you really want to stop.


On a positive note the average jo bloh will lean more about web technology
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Old 23rd Jun 2015, 21:44
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Originally Posted by SOPS View Post
I think that maybe, just maybe the ALPBC went too far on last nights Q and A.

I think they just might find themselves in a little bit of do-do over this.

Watch this space.
Hold on a second, the same LNP supporters who have been criticising the "ALPBC" for every Q and A episode being biased "in favour of Labour/Greens" are also at the same time tuning into the ABC's "the Killing Season" in droves to see how the previous Labor government tore itself apart and was a complete train wreck??

As well, didn't Q&A have Fred Nile on its program last week, who said a lot of things "lefty Labor/Green" supporters would find absolutely, disgustingly abborhent and offensive. But I never heard them saying the program should be axed.

Additionally, having Zaky Maliah the program gave the Liberal minister the opportunity to make that great quote about being kicked out of the country, didn't it? If you would've watched the program you might have though that the Liberal minister came out on top in that debate?

At the end of the day I support and watch the ABC because primarily there're isn't any other decent, comprehensive news and current affairs shows on any of the commercial networks, unless you count the garbage that Channel 7 and 9 serve up at 6pm as "news". The ABC may not be perfect, but it's a hell of a lot better than the competition.
And a final point? Don't we remember the case of Charlie Hebdo? Offensive speech is still free speech and it should be defended? At least the ABC gave a forum to this fool and to other fools like Nile so the public at large can see how stupid they are?

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