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War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original

Old 17th May 2015, 12:27
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a doctor training college that apparently the AMA don't approve of.
An acquaintance of mine who is is/was* a GP once said to me in an apparent moment of candour that the AMA don't want more Doctors trained as it would create too many Doctors and cause a drop in income!

Make of that what you will.



*Last I heard he had 'retired' as he was extremely disillusioned of the whole Profession.


Oh BTW Ethel. Enough with the personal derogatory comments re the PM. You really are becoming tiresome.
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Old 17th May 2015, 16:52
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LMFAO

Oh BTW Ethel. Enough with the personal derogatory comments re the PM. You really are becoming tiresome.
As opposed to Juliar, Krudd etc etc? As they say, if it's good for the goose, etc.

The pot and the kettle. Unless the hypocrisy (look it up in the dictionary..) knows no bounds, I suppose
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Old 17th May 2015, 17:52
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An acquaintance of mine who is is/was* a GP once said to me in an apparent moment of candour that the AMA don't want more Doctors trained as it would create too many Doctors and cause a drop in income!
Part of maintaining the viability of a profession is ensuring it draws the best candidates, which are drawn to it by the compensation at least in part.
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Old 17th May 2015, 20:45
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Hempy,

Tony Abbott was never a dodgy union lawyer, received a benefit from misappropriated funds or had affairs with married others. In spite of a hostile Senate, he's doing his best to restore the disastrous financial mess left behind by Rudd, Gillard, Rudd and Swan, and the best he can get from the left is insults.
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Old 17th May 2015, 21:01
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Part of maintaining the viability of a profession is ensuring it draws the best candidates, which are drawn to it by the compensation at least in part.
Depends on the profession.
I must have taught 200 students who have gone on to become doctors, vets, engineers and scientists, military officers, and a couple of pilots. Not one of them was ever doing it for the money, and I knew most of them very well (boarding schools). The same would be true of the adult professionals I have known.

Lawyers on the other hand...................

Doctors are way, way overpaid. Cut the wages in half would be a start point, but don't make them pay for their schooling.
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Old 17th May 2015, 21:13
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If being a doctor in a capitalistic society paid poverty wages (and not in some notional far off land of no tuition for school ) you wouldn't have the numbers wanting into the profession. The few docs I know seem to have embraced the money even if they didn't initially. None in my neighborhood that has a few airline guys. Go to the houses built on the golf course if you want to have a heart attack.
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Old 17th May 2015, 21:22
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Oh, I agree, but I think the problem starts with the tuition fees. Professionals become extremely money-conscious as a result. I've just finished tutoring a prospective dentist, and she is rightly obsessed with her tuition fees and subsequent income - it's frankly frightening. It wasn't so long ago that the UK had a University grant system (for about 10% of the population), and doctors (etc) were a lot less money-conscious then.

Half current wages is not poverty wages where I am. "Comfortably off' should be a requirement for any professional's wages, but I do not think it's necessary to pay any more, provided the professional is accorded due respect within society.
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Old 17th May 2015, 23:42
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..." don't want more doctors trained",same with surgeons etc. Many people rabbit on about unions, including myself, but the real closed shops are the "professional" organisations.
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Old 17th May 2015, 23:47
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Part of maintaining the viability of a profession is ensuring it draws the best candidates, which are drawn to it by the compensation at least in part.
Depends on the profession.
I must have taught 200 students who have gone on to become doctors, vets, engineers and scientists, military officers, and a couple of pilots. Not one of them was ever doing it for the money, and I knew most of them very well (boarding schools). The same would be true of the adult professionals I have known.
As usual there sort of truth in both, and to be fair both statements use conditionals. Very civilised unlike contributors from the "other" side of politics.

In effect the idea is to pull the greatest canidate pool, and as such, have high selection standards. To do that you need a draw card, and renumeration is only one part of that.

In effect its about the perception of the job, hence there are many factors that lead to that perception. Change the variables to much and you can have unintended consequences. Whether those consequences are in the noise or not, is another thing.
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Old 18th May 2015, 00:46
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Tony Abbott was never a dodgy union lawyer, received a benefit from misappropriated funds or had affairs with married others. In spite of a hostile Senate, he's doing his best to restore the disastrous financial mess left behind by Rudd, Gillard, Rudd and Swan, and the best he can get from the left is insults.
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Old 18th May 2015, 10:34
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An acquaintance of mine who is is/was* a GP once said to me in an apparent moment of candour that the AMA don't want more Doctors trained as it would create too many Doctors and cause a drop in income!
They've seen it happen to the lawyers, and it makes them nervous. Speaking of which...
Lawyers on the other hand...................
Not all laywers are in it for the cash. If they were, there wouldn't be so many community legal service organisations around, or professionals doing cases pro bono (inlcuding the much derided refugee advocates). I know a few lawyers, and all of them regularly do pro bono work, whether for family, friends, friends of friends or for causes they care about. For every lawyer who's sold his/her soul to the devil (and there are quite a few of them ) there's another who's spending their weekend helping out at the local community law centre.
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Old 18th May 2015, 11:33
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It appears that not enough training places for new grad doctors was the main gripe for those money grabbing docs.
Did captain Australia consult the AMA Or was the local 0.6 % lib margin a slight factor.
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Old 18th May 2015, 18:34
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Business as usual in Australia this morning: Refugee advocates are blaming Tony Abbott for the tough line on illegal immigrants on boats being taken by a range of South East Asian countries.

Meanwhile, the government is putting aside money to cover what the insulation industry claims is up to $750 million in compensation payable as a result of the Rudd government's failed $2.7 billion home insulation scheme.

And as usual, the Left chorus at the ABC, Fairfax and the Guardian has taken up the 'Abbott, Abbott, Abbott' chant from the refugee advocates.

Meanwhile, they are saying not a word about the developments in the insulation debacle, despite lawyers lining up all over Australia for a big feed.

The mastermind himself, Rudd, has never apologised for the deaths, bankruptcies, fires, unemployment and financial losses directly caused by his poorly thought out and worse executed scheme. Why should he worry? He can live on his wife's $220 million tax free kick from selling the business Rudd used his influence to set up.

Quick quiz:

Name one LNP politician who has used his position to featherbed his family fortunes to the extent Rudd has.

Name one programme of the LNP government that has gone as disastrously and expensively wrong as Rudd's home insulation adventure.
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Old 18th May 2015, 19:00
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Worrals - that matches with my experience - 50% of lawyers are decent people and the other 50% are total [email protected]
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Old 19th May 2015, 03:46
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50% of lawyers are decent people and the other 50% are total [email protected]
Yep. Just like any other group of people.
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Old 19th May 2015, 04:20
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This is the kind of integration we want from those refugees. Makes me proud as punch to hear these Muslims finally joining in the chorus of our national anthem "F*ck off, we're full"

Muslim integration: Australian immigration policies need tightening, Islamic Council founding president says - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
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Old 19th May 2015, 06:40
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Radio news tells us that SHY will be gracing out living rooms on the evening TV news in overdrive as she insists that Australia should look after the thousands of would-be country shoppers still at sea off the coast of Aceh. Has she taken a look at a map? To think that my taxes will fully fund the lifestyle of that oxygen thief - fully indexed - for the rest of her sorry life distresses me more than I can say.
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Old 19th May 2015, 08:59
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She's just 'gardening' - attending to the 20,000 quota she needs to keep her backside planted on the expensive leather of the Upper House.

She'd never win any sort of majority in a lower house electorate, so she pushes the hand on heart 'I am compassionate above all else' idea to hook voters who feel really good about themselves and morally superior to the rest of us when they agree with her.
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Old 19th May 2015, 09:19
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Worrals - that matches with my experience - 50% of lawyers are decent people and the other 50% are total [email protected]
Probably about right. Of course some of the [email protected] are still decent people, and some of the decent people are lousy lawyers; that's where it gets messy.
She'd never win any sort of majority in a lower house electorate, so she pushes the hand on heart 'I am compassionate above all else' idea to hook voters who feel really good about themselves and morally superior to the rest of us when they agree with her.
Yep. The bank teller has a keen sense of survival and an even keener eye for the press. I blame the South Australians . Having said that, Queensland has punched above its weight wrt annoying, gobby self interested MPs.
Name one programme of the LNP government that has gone as disastrously and expensively wrong as Rudd's home insulation adventure.
They were happy to take money from James Hardie for as long as they dared.
Liberals relent, will give up Hardie donation - National - www.theage.com.au
And no, it's not the same thing. The insulation debacle was just that; a total debacle. As previously posted, like many supporters I was horrified that a Labor government could be so cavalier about workers' safety in the interests of short-term political point scoring. It was just wrong, and indicative of what was so wrong about Kevin 'can't remember what union I was in ' Rudd as PM. However, note that they got hosed out by the electorate, because many Labor supporters refused to vote for them. Note that these days Rudd is not generally visible at Labor functions, unlike the other previous ALP PMs.
Maybe the system works.

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Old 19th May 2015, 09:55
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And I see that three of the little didums have decided that Syria wasn't such a great idea after all and want to come home. One wants to bring his wife that he has married in Syria, ( maybe ) in between beheading people.

I thought they had gone " home " already, that they thought Australia sucks, and it was time to wage war against us.

And, it gets better. They have got some lefty lawyers working for them, negotiating with the Australian government.

Words fail me. But I just might go and throw up.
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