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War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original

Old 11th May 2015, 04:38
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Of course neither of them has spent more than about a week in the UK, but both profess to be instant experts wrt British politics.
To be fair, its not only a UK thing. Most people who are for a better word, extremely assionate about certain things basically read and associate around those who just reinforce their beliefs.

At the end of the day, it just comes as a total shock because to them all the information they have been getting has reinforced their belief.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter what side your on, if you have tunnel vision or "white line fervor" your only going to see what your going to see.
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Old 11th May 2015, 04:41
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If you cast your mind back to the very first Oz Politics Hamsterwheel you may recall many posts pointing out the tendency of those to the left being unable to accept a majority democratic decision with good grace.

We saw the same thing resurrecting itself (and continuing in spades) since the election of a Coalition Government here and the spittle-foaming-at-the-mouth reaction to the election of a Conservative majority in the UK. Some are still around but others, thankfully, have departed PPRuNe.
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Old 11th May 2015, 04:58
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rh200 wrote:
To be fair, its not only a UK thing. Most people who are for a better word, extremely assionate about certain things basically read and associate around those who just reinforce their beliefs.
Would it be possible to resubmit that sentence in a form that makes sense to my befuddled mind.

Tony Abbott says that in Sydney, $185,000 of family income "isn't especially high".
As for Abbott, don't know what planet he's on, but it's most definitely not the same one most of the people I know inhabit.
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Old 11th May 2015, 05:05
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Originally Posted by SOPS
...they are experts on everything, and I mean everything. And they alone, know what is best for everyone.


If you cast your mind back to the very first Oz Politics Hamsterwheel you may recall many posts pointing out the tendency of those to the left being unable to accept a majority democratic decision with good grace.
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Old 11th May 2015, 06:29
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As for Abbott, don't know what planet he's on, but it's most definitely not the same one most of the people I know inhabit.
Agreed, though it probably does represent most people he knows . Journo John Birmingham described them as the government that started off by being out of touch, unlike others who slide into it over several terms. Pretty much every minister comes across as a pampered, wealthy elitist, with absolutely no clue about how the majority of Australians live their lives. Of course most federal ministers (from both sides) come across that way to a degree, but I find these guys particularly and repeatedly grating.
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I guess some of us got season tickets, while others go with the 'hop on hop off' option...
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Old 11th May 2015, 06:33
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while others go with the 'hop on hop off option
....and some of us might have blotted copy books incurred from elsewhere. Still, whats in a name between friends
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Old 11th May 2015, 07:06
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Sops .... did your sister attend university ?
I ask because many years ago when I was in Cambridge ...you will note, 'in' not 'at', I was actually working for a living at a nearby aviation establishment ..... my new bride and I would often attend clubs, cinemas etc. in Cambridge. The wife, quite nave in certain matters despite having served in H.M. forces, once asked me why all the undergrads laughed during a film show while all non grads didn't so much raise a titter. My theory was that they all laughed together because being quite intelligent they didn't want to be seen as not being part of the intelligentsia. Could that be the reason for all the 'ladies' being part of the "riots" in UK a couple of days ago just as their Mummies and Daddies did when Tariq Ali was causing problems back in the 60/70s' before he and his mates went off to well paid jobs in the City.
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Old 11th May 2015, 07:23
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Funnily enough Bosnich, she did, for 4 years. And still maintains a close circle of her uni freinds.
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Old 11th May 2015, 07:27
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Sops .....'nuff said !
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Old 11th May 2015, 07:38
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Ref. the British general election....Dr. Scott Burchill, is a senior lecturer in International Relations at Deakin University in Melbourne. On the ABC programme, 'News Breakfast' on April 28th.he said, " it looks like his,( Milliband), popularity is reaching new heights".
Well, for someone who is a Doctor of something or other and lectures at a University he sure got that one wrong didn't he ? Then again given that he is slightly left of centre perhaps he should get away from his cloistered university lifestyle for a time and talk to real people. He may not agree with them at all times but then that's real life isn't it ?
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Old 11th May 2015, 07:38
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Of course many Liberal MPs also got their political start at uni, in the various student guilds and Young Liberal associations. Aspiring political types at my alma mater were divided pretty evenly between conservative and progressive groups, though certain faculties leaned one way or the other; naturally Arts crawled with socialists and Business was awash with Tories. From memory Law and Science had a pretty even split, but all were outweighed by the vast majority of students who were best described as LIGAF.

IME unis these days seem to be much less political. I think partly that's because students see going to uni and getting a degree as an employment ticket (which isn't necessarily a bad thing, particularly given the cost these days) and partly because of the huge number of foreign students (also not a bad thing) who don't give a toss about Australian politics.
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Old 11th May 2015, 07:41
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And, of course, Hockey and Pyne were involved in student protests if I remember correctly.
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Old 11th May 2015, 07:58
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for someone who is a Doctor of something or other and lectures at a University he sure got that one wrong didn't he
Thats not unusual. Was discussing with a director of an institute the other day, failure versus success ratio. You only get to hear about the good bits in journals.

In fact I was making the point of the advantage of putting more information in papers including failures. The logic being, is you can learn as much if not more from failures sometimes than success.

And, of course, Hockey and Pyne were involved in student protests if I remember correctly.
Intent of an action is every thing Maybe they where just trying a Buswell
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Old 11th May 2015, 08:12
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Pyne certainly was. Of course he still is, but more as a target than an agitator.
On the ABC programme, 'News Breakfast' on April 28th.he said, " it looks like his,( Milliband), popularity is reaching new heights".
Sorry, I missed your last post. Calling elections is notoriously tricky, which is why sensible commentators don't make big sweeping statements prior to the election, particularly when they don't live in the relevant country/state. As you say, even if you're a resident who gets out a lot it's usually hard enough to gauge the mood on the ground prior to an election. A Melbourne university campus is not the best place to assess UK electoral intentions.

Meanwhile back home; how about the other immigration issue? (Sorry about the large image). Unemployment is nudging the 6% mark and many Aussie tradies are either out of work or underemployed due to the resource sector slump, but never fear, it would appear that Thiess had a workaround.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/sk...10-ggv6sg.html
From the article;
A spokeswoman for the Abbott government said the allegations were "serious, and if true, are a breach of the law".
Well, get on with it then. Tell us who elected you, and who you govern for.

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Old 11th May 2015, 11:27
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Paul Murray reporting that VicPol has barred media from publishing the name of the teenager who allegedly was planning to set off bombs on Mother's day. The police are also banning the media from saying what religion the teen belongs to. Why would that be an issue when we are repeatedly told that religion has noting to do with any of the troubles we have seen in Australia over the last year or so.

Police are said to have removed six explosive devices from the relatively upmarket 'McMansion-style' home of the teen, whose parents are said to have come to Australia from Syria. But of course, their religion (which it might be assumed is the same religion as their son's), cannot be reported either.

To me, the Victorian Premier (who one can only assume is the one directing the Victorian Police in what they say can and cannot be reported about the teenager who allegedly was in possession of the six bombs), behaves more and more like Monty Python's Black Knight by the day.
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Old 11th May 2015, 11:35
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And they alone, know what is best for everyone.
You left out a bit, SOPS -

"...and are quite prepared to force everyone to accept it."

There's a thin line between authoritarianism and the Left, and it gets thinner the farther Left you go.

Look at the highly secretive cabal of the Greens desicion makers. The majority of Greens rank and filers seem quite happy with it.
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Old 11th May 2015, 11:36
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The police are also banning the media from saying what religion the teen belongs to
Do you have a link? The previously posted link claiming the same did not actually contain any references to religion, at least not by the time I clicked on it. Nor does Paul Murray's website.
His name will be suppressed because he is a minor. If he had allegedly murdered ten schoolchildren his name would still be suppressed. In any case, why do you need to know his name? Why is it important?
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Old 11th May 2015, 12:03
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So he has the right to ( allegedly ) attempt to kill us, but we don't have the right to know anything about him..? Have I got this correct?
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Old 11th May 2015, 12:10
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Worrals...I've been a contractor in the past ... A bit like a 457 visa in a roundabout way ... and as such I couLd be moved on for a lot less than any of the things Theiss has listed. And didn't Mrs.Rudd have a visa business at one time,(probably still has), but those "socialists" in the Labour Party and those at the Age didn't give a flying eff about contractors etc. in those days did they?
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Old 11th May 2015, 12:25
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Mrs Rudd has reportedly recently sold her business for around $220 million and joined her husband at their new home in New York.

PS Worrals
Given their experience with a union official by the name of Wilson, perhaps Thiess management have reason to be leery of union officials/activities.
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