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Old 8th Apr 2015, 12:39
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To be sure. But it's all Rudd/Gillard/Greens/the ABC/hostile
senate/mainstream medias fault..
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Old 8th Apr 2015, 13:58
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Correct Hempy..glad you have,worked it out.
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Old 9th Apr 2015, 00:13
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Agreed. Of course what defines a fruit loop (as opposed to a perfectly reasonable POV) is fairly subjective.
This is true, and even the fairly reasonable POV is subjective. The fact is, at the top, decisions need to be reasonably rational, taking into account all variables, including inevitable social issues and consequences.

The Greek issue is a classic, it is a failure of leadership at all levels, and over time, including Greece and the other countries involved. The Whole EU issue, entirely predictable.

Societies should remain roughly Gaussian in their distribution, when you push to much one way or another, you flatten out that distribution, or at worse create a bath tub one, this tends towards instability.

The question is, in our social evolution, who should give ground, well simply put, its the group trying to push for where we are going. Generally thats the left. The reason being, is the group that belongs where we are, or have been, have their values breed into them, that takes time to breed out.

As such, the main political parties need to be smart enough to deal with that, and use nationalism and other tools in the tool box, with extreme care, they also need to have some lines they don't cross, and are bipartisan, no matter the cost.
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Old 9th Apr 2015, 05:27
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Old 9th Apr 2015, 09:49
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Originally Posted by SOPS
Correct Hempy..glad you have,worked it out.


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The question is, in our social evolution, who should give ground, well simply put, its the group trying to push for where we are going. Generally thats the left. The reason being, is the group that belongs where we are, or have been, have their values breed into them, that takes time to breed out.
Would someone mind deciphering this into english for me? I'm lost, ty.

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Old 9th Apr 2015, 11:12
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Try harder Hempy, I know you have it in you
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Old 10th Apr 2015, 21:58
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Worrals, did you read my third paragraph? I've added bold face to stress the point I thought I was making.
I did, and I agree; the bastards fuelling the revolution are usually just the same as the bastards they replace. Sorry if it sounded otherwise. The only problem with paying MPs a pittance (or not paying them at all, which is one argument) is that competent people who can earn similar money outside of politics as professionals or in business won't go near it, because why would you. Of course despite all the money and perks competent people don't seem to be going near politics under the current system either, so I don't know what the solution is.
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Old 10th Apr 2015, 23:08
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Competent people earn high incomes
Therefore only people who earn high incomes are competent?
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Old 10th Apr 2015, 23:39
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Competent at what? At rorting the system - lots are good at that.
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Old 11th Apr 2015, 02:08
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Competent at what?
Exactly right, what, you can be competent at one discipline and completely useless at another, though the person usually won't admit it.

At rorting the system - lots are good at that.
By rorting if you mean illegally doing something, yes. By rorting you mean legally getting what you are lawfully entitled to, yes again.

Competent people earn high incomes
Therefore only people who earn high incomes are competent?
Nope, but again, competent at what.

Of course despite all the money and perks competent people don't seem to be going near politics under the current system either, so I don't know what the solution is.
If your earning lots of money, why would you, the amounts pollys earn for the bullshit they put up with, and create is a pittance compared to the private sector.

The answer is, we have the best we will get, more or less. The answer is to not get involved in all this them and us bullsh!t that we like to. The current economic situation, and our insistence on sticking to our religious like dogma is what the problem is, hence the pollys follow suite.
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Old 11th Apr 2015, 03:36
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From Wiktionary:
rort (plural rorts)
(Australia, New Zealand) A scam or fraud, especially involving the misappropriation of public money or resources.
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Old 11th Apr 2015, 07:17
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I have to admit to being more than a little bemused to hear that Dandenong Council is encouraging non-Muslim women to wear the hijab (I'm assuming just for one day) so that they can 'bond'with Muslim women.

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This really is a very different Australia to the one I grew up in, and I fear we're in a situation today not unlike a frog in a pot of water being brought slowly to the boil.
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Old 11th Apr 2015, 07:40
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So how about the Muslim women also go for a day bare headed, a swim in the mixed pool, then down to the pub lounge to enjoy a glass of wine and a nice pork roast?

Hmmm...I thought not.

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Old 11th Apr 2015, 07:55
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Should run a naked bike ride or gay pride event at the same time.
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Old 11th Apr 2015, 08:13
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It's gratifying to se the reaction by the majority of those who commented on the two links in Fubaar's post.

But it has to be said... not all. Among the gratifying responses are a few from the Politically Correct saying it's a wonderful idea. Apparently it was the brainchild of a 15 year old named Fatima as part of a film project.

Clowns like those councillors, in adopting ideas like this, are doing us a favour - bringing this issue to Joe Public's attention. Closing Council pools to other ratepayers to allow Muslim women to use the swimming pool without suffering the horror of having a non-family male seeing them in their burqinis has been going on for years now in some parts of Melbourne and Sydney with hardly a whimper from the rate payers.
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Old 11th Apr 2015, 08:21
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competent people who can earn similar money outside of politics as professionals or in business won't go near it, because why would you. Of course despite all the money and perks competent people don't seem to be going near politics under the current system either,
Not exactly sure how it works but I believe the Swiss run a system that would seem to be ideal, if we can clear the entire present lot out, lock stock and barrel and replace it with the Swiss system, see here:

Politics of Switzerland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Doesn't look as though the militant union movement dominate but they wouldn't be stopped from participating.
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Old 11th Apr 2015, 09:17
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Ref. ..Hibabs,that nice Mr. Andrews has, reportedly, donated $100,000 to help us all to 'assimilate'. First cab off the rank is Dandenong Council's 'Happy Hibab Day'. Should make some happy.
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Old 11th Apr 2015, 09:27
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Old 11th Apr 2015, 11:08
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Do gays and muslims openly mix?
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Old 11th Apr 2015, 11:56
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Closing Council pools to other ratepayers to allow Muslim women to use the swimming pool without suffering the horror of having a non-family male seeing them in their burqinis has been going on for years now in some parts of Melbourne and Sydney with hardly a whimper from the rate payers.
Do they pay a fee? I only ask because a male friend of mine is in a nudist swimming club, and they pay to privately rent a Council pool one evening a month. Personally I hope they drain it afterwards (and if they all look like him other potential users are probably paying to stay away ), but apparently it's quite easy to do if you cough up the money and hire the pool outside peak times.
Should run a naked bike ride or gay pride event at the same time.
Or a Wiccan sabbat. Captain Dart, I'm with you on that one.
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