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War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original

Old 29th Mar 2015, 10:31
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A rundown redbrick waterfront home in Sydney's south stunned onlookers when it sold for $6.05 million at auction on Saturday.
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Not sure what your point is, there are whole suburbs around, where old houses are getting sold for a fortune. They usually get knocked down, and two or more smaller joints put up.

Down sizing, increasing in value, and increased population density, all natural. Anyone in the property market for short term gain runs a risk, any plodder who saves their cookies up and gets into property, does it for the long term, in that case they rarely lose.
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Old 29th Mar 2015, 10:43
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Gillian Triggs should resign. Watching her performance at a recent Senate hearing gives you some idea of why. Her maneagement of the HRC as a freedom-inhibiting and rights-restricting tool of a would-be totalitarian Labor government tells you the rest of the story. (Julia Gillard drafted a draconian clause which would have outlawed any personal insult whatsoever: 'The HRC also demonstrated its innate hostility to freedom of speech when in 2012 it backed Julia Gillard’s ill-fated Human Rights and Anti-Discrimination Bill, which would have forbidden people from “engaging in any conduct which offends, humiliates, intimidates, insults or ridicules another person on the basis of (their attributes)”.' - Brendan O'Neill. Gillard's proposal was thrown out.

Naturally Triggs doesn't want to leave. She can't find another job on anything like the same salary and conditions, or imposing title: "Australian Comissioner for Human Rights".

And how's this, from the Australian:

THE Australian Human Rights Commission has been using 900 words of boilerplate material in repeated rulings against the government over breaches of international treaties.

The same 900 words appear in findings by commission president Gillian Triggs calling for payments of $350,000 to Indonesian killer John Basikbasik, $200,000 to a Sri Lankan asylum-seeker known as AH, between $175,000 and $190,000 to five boatpeople who were detained after a riot at Villawood detention centre and $300,000 to a man known as MG, who was in immigration detention after his release from prison pending deportation.

The same 900 words also appear in a determination by Professor Triggs’ delegate, Craig Lenehan, who recommended that the government pay $200,000 to Daru islander Daniel Charlie who was detained at Villawood immigration detention centre after his visa was cancelled because of his criminal record.

“There is no question of plagiarism,” said the commission in a statement to The Australian.

Here's a rundown of structural flaws in the HRC:

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Old 29th Mar 2015, 11:27
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This puts it well:

ANDREW BOLT: If the net debt is soaring under your watch, from $153-billion to well over $200 (billion) – I mean, this is terrible, and you’re blaming a spending explosion. Can you assure us that total Government spending in real terms in the next Budget will actually be down on the last?
JOE HOCKEY: No, I can’t. And why? Because 86% of all Government expenditure is locked in by legislation. Now, the 14% that is not locked in by legislation includes foreign aid, which we’ve significantly reduced in our last two Budget announcements, the first Budget and then the mid-year update. It includes defence expenditure, which we’ve had to increase, given the significant national security threats, and the fact that Labor under-funded it. So after that, everything requires legislation. Now, the Labor Party and the Greens and the Independents in the Senate are constantly trying to block any initiatives we undertake to change the legislation to reduce the level of Government expenditure. So we stand by our words, which I have said all along – that we will get the Budget back to surplus as soon as possible. But we can only do what is possible.

(Much of the 86% of spending was locked in by Labor, and into the forward estimates, too.)
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Old 29th Mar 2015, 11:50
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One example of the many mine fields left in place by Labor to make life as difficult as possible for the Coalition government. In this case, (their behaviour in the Senate), not even disguised.
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Old 29th Mar 2015, 13:29
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Ah the old 'it's Labors fault' tagline still getting rolled out

So, how long do we give the Government before it's no longer "not their fault"?? Two years?...five?...ten?? Spare me, it's getting really old
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Old 29th Mar 2015, 19:40
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Given the size of the debt that ALP left along with the 'landmines' for the incoming government to step on, you can expect people to be blaming them for some time to come. Get used to it.
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Old 29th Mar 2015, 20:45
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So, how long do we give the Government before it's no longer "not their fault"?? Two years?...five?...ten?? Spare me, it's getting really old
As long as it takes to get control of the senate!

Another words, how long is a peice of string.

As I said before, it almost looked like the previous government has deliberately undermined any future government. If I was a conspiracy theorist that would be it, but I'm not, its just usual political incompetence.
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Old 29th Mar 2015, 23:36
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Hempy....until about 2047, given the total incompetence of the last lot.
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Old 29th Mar 2015, 23:43
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Yeah, not sure the electorate is going to give them that long.
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Old 30th Mar 2015, 00:19
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Hempy....until about 2047, given the total incompetence of the last lot.
Yeah, not sure the electorate is going to give them that long.
They'll be lucky if they get another term, we'll be unlucky if they get another term, and the electorate neuters them again with the senate. In that case I would prefer Labor be in.

I would much rather see it all turn to economic sh!t that is plainly obvious to even the dumbest [email protected], so they can get back in and not be impotent.
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Old 30th Mar 2015, 01:44
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It's going to crap either way. Australia had it great for a long while with the mining boom and none of the governments of the day had the vision to make the most of it. They all spent as long as they could pointing the finger at "the previous lot". The posts above are a testament to the fact that this is enough to get reelected. Then as little change to the status quo as possible so as to avoid startling the golden geese while the parliamentary paycheck is still being deposited.

Over the next decade our economy is going to be weaker than most people will be able to clearly remember, and whichever party is governing at the time will ultimately get the blame. In reality both Labor and Coalition were too self-serving during the boom times and have set up the country for failure. Or if not failure, an underwhelming future indeed. But the day that the cash cows stopped giving milk was always going to be a problem for someone else.

If we manage to keep our natural environment intact in spite of the remaining resources industry we have left, perhaps the country will retain its well-deserved reputation as a tourist destination. Maybe then those bachelor degrees in Coffee-Making and "Underwater Basket Weaving" will come in handy, when we're relying on yuans from curious mainland Chinese tourists to pay next month's mortgage interest payments on our investment property portfolios


On another note, RE: Billy Gordon MP for Cook - where else but Queensland!
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Old 30th Mar 2015, 03:48
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..... MP for Cook
For some reason, I initially read that as 'MP for Crook!'
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Old 31st Mar 2015, 03:22
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Re Billy Gordon...

Listening to ABC TV news earlier and according to 'too busy' Wellington it is the fault of the Courier Mail..


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And so it should be...
"Cape York Indigenous leader Noel Pearson says it should be up to the people of the Cook electorate to decide if Billy Gordon should leave Parliament, and not the Queensland Premier..."

Queensland electors should decide MP Billy Gordon's fate, not Premier, Noel Pearson says - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)














And don't stand to close to me, this country boy needs his space..



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Old 31st Mar 2015, 03:52
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Cape York Indigenous leader Noel Pearson says it should be up to the people of the Cook electorate to decide if Billy Gordon should leave Parliament, and not the Queensland Premier.
Quite agree. However the phrase 'be careful what you wish for as you may well get it' springs to mind. I'm not over the politics of N.Queensland, however I reckon Noel's opinion may not be that of the people of Cook. Interesting times.
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Old 31st Mar 2015, 04:47
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What would be interesting is if the balance of power in the Qld parliament were held by Billy Gordon.

It's remarkable how many people in the Qld ALP appeared to know about the allegations etc against Gordon, yet for one reason or another did nothing about it.

Now Palaszczuk is accusing Springborg of exploiting for political gain the poor abused women in the case, and the Qld Speaker is dog whistling about 'other currents in play', in other words, that Springborg is racist.

Who is exploiting whom in this? What's exploitative about exposing an abuser of women? What's racist about wanting the rules enforced whether the man is black or white?

Palazsczuk has no other straw to clutch as she drowns. She tried to cover up what she knew about Billy Gordon until after the no confidence motion in her government last week. Once again, it's clearly demonstrated that coming clean is always better than a cover up. You usually get found out, especially in politics.

And where, by the way, are the howls of rage from the sisterhood? Doesn't Gordon appear to be a tiny bit misogynist? Nothing on Abbott's epic scale, of course, but surely worth commenting on.

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Old 31st Mar 2015, 05:27
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Its rather simple really, he is entitled to be in parliament or he isn't. After that is the morality question.

If he is entitled, then any attempts to get rid of him is a viewpoint based on morality.
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Old 31st Mar 2015, 05:29
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You'd probably have to almost totally crooked to be disqualified from the Qld parliament. (Joh, Russ Hinze, Bligh? etc)
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Old 31st Mar 2015, 05:57
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And meanwhile, sarf of Bass Strait, Senator Jacqui Jacqui, badly in need of a publicity fix, sticks a needle of high grade uncut pubiiciDy into her starving (varicose?) veins. And the MSM lap it up.

Am I the only one who suspects she hasn't got a clue what a network is?

And today I heard her describe herself as "a brand name". The sad fact is, she's right in describing herself as such - and what an indictment that is on today's Australia.

Someone should set up a countdown clock showing how many days we have left before the woman sinks into so richly deserved obscurity. Please God (and Tasmanians), let it be just one term.

Please.
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Old 31st Mar 2015, 07:40
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RJM,

Yours is the first suggestion that I've seen that Anna Bligh was 'almost totally crooked'. Do you have any evidence to have made that assertion?
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Old 31st Mar 2015, 09:21
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While Bligh has kept her reputation fairly clean, I suggest it hasn't been without a bit of hard work.

Her tenure featured some misuse of funds, such as the abuse of a relocation allowance by her friend Di Fingleton, but it was also interesting that Bligh successfully lobbied Labor, the Greens and the PUP to abandon enquiry instigated by the PUP into Campbell Newman's government but only after the
Liberals tried to extend the enquiry to include Bligh's government.

She also lied about asset sales and the northern rivers issues, and was tossed out in a Liberal landslide partly because of those factors. Then came the report on the floods and the Wivenhoe Dam mismanagement, a few days before the election.

So there are no major scandals, but towards the end, it seemed that people just didn't trust her. I was in Qld at the time of that election, and there seemed to be a feeling that she had got away with a lot.

Hence the question mark. I probably shouldn't haveincluded her in the 'almost totally crooked' bracket. Perhaps 'quite probably more crooked than people think' would be a better description for her.
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