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War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original

Old 24th Mar 2015, 13:22
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Contrast that with Tony - who never had it in the first place, OK?
Care to back that up with some facts and examples. And I don't mean catch phrases that are a result of not having the gift of the gab.
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Old 25th Mar 2015, 05:06
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Stanwell - apart from your comment being completely irrelevant to the topic under discussion, what rh200 said.
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Old 25th Mar 2015, 05:21
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That well known huggy fluffy Communist ranting red rag, the Australian Financial Review, seems to have summed it up.
Prime Minister Tony Abbott literally has lost the plot
Tony Abbott loses the budget plot | afr.com
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Old 25th Mar 2015, 05:45
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On an unrelated note, I was pleased to read recently that there is at least one union, the SDA in SA, that seems willing to compromise on "entitlements" as part of a sensible conversation with industry on the new award.

Penalty rates are being drastically cut or removed entirely in exchange for a marginally increased base hourly rate, among other alternative entitlements such as the right to have every second weekend off work.

I'm sure it hasn't gone down well for some people but I much prefer seeing this kind of cooperation between employers and unions, which will ultimately result in better business for all.
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Old 25th Mar 2015, 06:06
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rh and para,
Point taken.
I will concede there was a slight drift in my post - as opposed to irrelevance, OK?

Now, as to 'facts and figures', where do we start?
A browse through the pages of this thread alone should give you enough to go with.

What I was doing was drawing attention to the contrast between Malcolm Fraser's grasp of both the big and small pictures, compared with Tony's.
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Old 25th Mar 2015, 07:04
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Stunt Muppet...

"Liberal Andrew Laming, a mighty warrior for Labor and a Malcolm Turnbull tip for a ministry, has been suspended from Parliament for a day for a stupid stunt..."

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Hmmm... Now thats an idea. What shoulda been done when all them illegal immigrants were getting drowned, someone should have dragged a dead drowned body into parliament and demanded of Gillard a stop to it all...









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Old 25th Mar 2015, 07:44
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Jeannine Perritt gave a not very nice - but very believable - account of a memorable, for all the wrong reasons, night out with Malcolm Fraser in New York when she was a young journalist.

He was everything the Australian so-called 'working class' love to hate in conservative 'silver spoon, born to rule' politicians. I could forgive him that if he'd achieved something positive during his time as PM. OK, so I'm being unkind. He did achieve some things, but not one tenth of what he could - and should - have with the huge parliamentary majority he was given by the electorate in 1976.

He also did enormous damage in his incredibly misguided championing of Robert Mugabe.
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Old 25th Mar 2015, 10:33
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Parliment Security...

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The question is being asked by posters at the Bolt thread. How did Laming get a couple of bottles of incendary material into Parliment ?

I'm sure our terrorist inclined Oz citizens have taken note just how easy it is to smuggle an incendiary bomb into Parliament.

Somebody in security needs sacking perhaps.. .... and probably start giving that muppet Lambing the full bend over rubber glove body search before he is let in again..











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Old 26th Mar 2015, 05:34
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On an unrelated note, I was pleased to read recently that there is at least one union, the SDA in SA, that seems willing to compromise on "entitlements" as part of a sensible conversation with industry on the new award.

Penalty rates are being drastically cut or removed entirely in exchange for a marginally increased base hourly rate, among other alternative entitlements such as the right to have every second weekend off work.

I'm sure it hasn't gone down well for some people but I much prefer seeing this kind of cooperation between employers and unions, which will ultimately result in better business for all.
I thought so too, chuboy. Penalty rates are a real blight here in the home state oif the SDA, and I thought it was good news, although I did wonder why the SDA had actually instigated teh move. Then I read an article by Grace Collier in the Australian on 25/3/15:

Yesterday we read about a historic “deal” to cut penalty rates, made between a union and an employer group. A template enterprise agreement is allegedly going to help small businesses in the South Australian retail sector, provided both the business and their employees agree to adopt it. This document is dangerous and any small business would be extremely foolish to adopt it.

The EBA template is a misleading marketing exercise. Both organisations, with low membership rates and fading relevance, are jointly promoting the template as a means of inserting themselves into and earning income from, a sector that doesn’t currently have much to do with them.

Both organisations have something to gain financially, if the template is adopted across the small business sector and the sector is unionised as a result.
There's more at:

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Old 26th Mar 2015, 05:54
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What kind of shameless hypocrite is Julie Bishop? When in Opposition, she was implacably opposed to Rudd's push for a seat on the UN Security Council. The media tart that Bishop is obviously enjoyed her days in the spotlight in NYC so much that she now wants Australia to have another term on the Council. Words just about fail me!


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Old 26th Mar 2015, 05:56
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They're all bastards.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 06:25
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Don't really care who does it - Abbott, Hockey, Bishop, whoever, but would someone pay the electricity bill so we can get the heating back on. 'Cos it's bloody cold down here.

It was never this cold when Rudd and Gillard ran things.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 06:54
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LNP flip-flop? Who would have thunk it
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 07:20
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"It was never this cold when Rudd and Gillard ran things"...... 'Global Warming' must be true then ?
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 07:55
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Well bosnich, you conspiracy nutjobs seem to think everything is 'someone elses fault', I'm sure you'd find a way to put that on the ALP as well....
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 09:38
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Hempy, "conspiracy nut job"?
It was joke perhaps you need to lighten up a bit.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 09:44
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https://independentaustralia.net/env...s-tactics,7522

whale oil beef hooked, the old climate denialists at it again
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 10:04
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I'm all for eliminating pollution, I know the supply of fossil fuel is finite and I believe human activity contributes to climate change, but I'm damned if I'll accept without question the predictions of a group of people who can't explain why there have been years of pause in the warming process they predicted, told us it might never snow again or rain to fill our reservoirs and were wrong, argue endlessly among themselves and tout a '97% consensus' figure which is nothing of the sort.

Then they tell me that 'the science is settled' and to even question it is not to be uncertain or sceptical, which scientists should see as defensible attitudes, but to become a 'denier' - a loaded term implying that I am rejecting outright whatever information is available.

If the world's best scientists have settled the science of climate change. Why aren't things panning out exactly as they predicted? Why aren't I allowed to ask questions about 'The Science'?
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 12:00
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via RJM:
...Why aren't I allowed to ask questions about 'The Science'?
Why, indeed.










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Old 26th Mar 2015, 13:53
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Originally Posted by Flying Binghi View Post
Why, indeed.









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Why indeed, Flying B, do all your posts contain 10 blank lines followed by a full stop that you have coloured white so it doesn't show?

I've removed part of the formatting tag so your full stop shows. Is it an ego thing to make your posts look more prominent than they deserve, or do you just have a surplus of pixels you need to use up
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