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War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original

Old 20th Mar 2015, 12:39
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I've posted this observation before on Prune but what with Malcolm's passing it's probably worth a repeat.
Some time back I had,as fairly new Australian, occasion to be crawling about under the floor.....Lower 41 ....of one of the RAAF's Boeing 707 aircraft originally supplied during Malcolm's reign as P.M. Anyone who has been down there will remember it as a fairly confined area and as I wriggled along into the light from my torch, written on a bulkhead were the immortal words, "Tammy has one and Malcolm is one".
Probably written some RAAF guy who didn't appreciate working on one of what used to be one of Boeings finest but which was by then somewhat worn out or perhaps he was a Gough fan.
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Old 20th Mar 2015, 22:47
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lieberal's NBN plan they will pay Telstra $100 BILLION(!) over the next thirty years for line rental for their Fibre To The Node
Never let a little dishonesty get in the way of truth: think you will find when examining history under Labor's original NBN scheme it was Telstra who outsmarted Labor to not sell the copper, pits or infrastructure but to lease it ensuring down the track when leases expired they would have an upper hand renewing contracts regardles of who is in Government then.

Similar to the mining companies designing the mining tax.
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Old 21st Mar 2015, 02:18
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Although blaming it squarely on the 'labor party' isn't just disingenuous, it's patently ridiculous..
There's only two parties that run this country Hempy. On a social level one that wants to govern social change to manageable level to decrease blow back and the inevitable side effects, an the other on a holy crusade to purify every thing conservative in to utiopian huggy fluffy values and be damned with the consequences.

The things the two parties have in common is they both have to regulate their desires to the electric which forces them to modulate their views.

it was Telstra who outsmarted Labor to not sell the copper, pits or infrastructure but to lease it ensuring down the track when leases expired they would have an upper hand renewing contracts regardles of who is in Government then.

Similar to the mining companies designing the mining tax.
See previous posts on who society as the A team and who has the B team of advisors and strategists.

Rule # of RH200, you can never screw big business (biting the hand that feeds you), they will always screw you if you try, work with them or suffer the consequences.
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Old 21st Mar 2015, 02:27
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Originally Posted by rh200
The things the two parties have in common is they both have to regulate their desires to the electric which forces them to modulate their views.
I'm sorry, I don't know what that means
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Old 21st Mar 2015, 05:28
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Originally Posted by rh200 View Post
...The things the two parties have in common is they both have to regulate their desires to the electric which forces them to modulate their view...
Shocking autocorrect, perhaps
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Old 21st Mar 2015, 05:36
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Faarrrkkk! electorate.
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Old 21st Mar 2015, 10:51
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Reports state that Mr Fraser who died following a "short illness" was forming a new political party that would distance Australia from military dependence on USA.

Reminds me of Harold Holt's sudden demise at a time he was reconsidering troop support for the USA's involvement in Vietnam.

There is a conspiracy theory around every corner.
Former Foreign affairs Minister Bob Carr noted today that Fraser was very concerned of Australia being dragged by USA into war with China.

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Old 21st Mar 2015, 11:04
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Wasn't going to happen. The US were blackmailing him over how he lost his trousers in Memphis. They had him dead to rights.
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Old 21st Mar 2015, 11:21
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You'd have to hope poor Mal got something that night for losing his pants and $10,000 Rolex. At least Billy Sneddon fell off the perch actually on the job with his sons ex, and the condom was 'loaded'..
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Old 21st Mar 2015, 17:56
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Thanks Hempy. I'd forgotten about that.
If I have to go, 'Billy Snedden style' will do me thanks.
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Old 21st Mar 2015, 23:08
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FTTN is a joke.

The copper network is a disgrace.I've had line noise on my landline for the past month,they are so busy trying to patch up the network that they haven't got around to me as yet.Of course,the ADSL speed is woeful with the line noise too.Line noise is usually a result of corroded copper terminations somewhere.I'm one of the lucky ones,at least I do have a circuit to the exchange.

If it can't handle ADSL without problems,it sure won't handle anything faster !

It should always have been FTTH.

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Old 22nd Mar 2015, 03:13
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Originally Posted by Stanwell
If I have to go, 'Billy Snedden style' will do me thanks.
According to the lady concerned - "I thought he was coming, not going"
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Old 23rd Mar 2015, 08:11
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WTF was Julie Bishop thinking with her carrying on in the background the way she did while Joe Hockey was eulogising Malcolm Fraser? She's too canny a political operator (or you'd hope so) not to know the cameras would pick up her facial expressions and the head in hand gestures, so what message is she trying to send?

And to whom?

The more I see of her lately, the more worried I become.
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Old 23rd Mar 2015, 09:27
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She's the same idiot who said we would support those 2 drug dealers for a comfortable life in jail for the rest of their days. But our pensioners deserve it whereas those 2 don't deserve a thing. Well, a couple of 7.62s, but that's about all they deserve.
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Old 23rd Mar 2015, 09:59
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Meanwhile;

Senator LAMBIE (Tasmania)

I move:

That the Senate take note of the answer given by the Attorney-General to a question without notice asked by me in relation to treason and sedition charges.

The Attorney-General, in answering my question without notice today regarding the laying of treason and sedition charges against Australian citizens who have clearly assisted or fought for Islamic State, shows that this Liberal- National government has gone soft on Australian citizens who choose to assist or fight for our enemy, an organisation that calls itself Islamic State, or ISIS. If the Liberal and National parties were fair dinkum about addressing the growing threat of Islamic Australian citizens who clearly are assisting the Islamic State organisation, then the Attorney-General and Australian law enforcement agencies would have laid the serious charges of sedition or treason against any Australian citizen who assists, as the legislation reads, 'by any means whatever'—and I will repeat that: 'by any means whatever'—an organisation that is engaged in armed hostilities against the Australian Defence Force.

The government are quick to say to the Australian people that we need to introduce new laws which take away and undermine basic civil rights to privacy because we need to crack down on Australian citizens who fight for or support the Islamic terrorists who want to kill us. But the government, by the Attorney-General's reply to my questions today, have shown that they are too lazy and stupid, or are trying to win political favour with the Australian Islamic community, by not laying the high-crime charges of treason and sedition against the hundreds, probably thousands, of Islamic Australian citizens who assist or have fought for the butchers of Islamic State.

The law which served previous generations of Australians who fought killers who wanted to impose by force a brutal dictatorship on our nation is clear. Division 80 of the Commonwealth Criminal Code Act 1995 states that any Australian who engages in conduct that assists by any means whatsoever, with intent to assist, another country or an organisation that is engaged in armed hostilities against the Australian Defence Force is guilty of treason and/or sedition and should face seven years to life in jail.

The key question Prime Minister Abbott and Attorney-General Brandis must answer before any new anti-terror laws which take away or undermine basic civil democratic rights pass this Senate is this: why have you failed to use tried and tested existing laws which came into being to protect the majority of law-abiding, proud Australians from these exact circumstances, which are coordinated attacks from a group of dirty, savage, filthy traitors?

The Islamic State supporter who carried out the Sydney siege and brutal killing, as well as being a criminal, was an Australian citizen and clearly an Australian traitor. Man Haron Monis's actions were designed to assist the organisation Islamic State. I would like the people of Tasmania and Australia to consider this set of circumstances that could happen in the future. What if a traitorous Australian citizen like Monis survived a siege after killing Australian citizens? Should that person face a maximum penalty of life in jail or should an Australian jury have the option of imposing the death sentence on a killer, traitor and terrorist supporter? While I normally oppose the death penalty, I say yes to the death penalty for only these circumstances.

In closing: as many will know, I have received a letter and photos from a writer who has threatened to behead me if I do not convert to Islam and support sharia law. It could be a hoax. It could be real. Either way, my message to Islamic State supporters in Australia is clear: get stuffed. I will not be intimidated and I will not be threatened. Anybody who supports and advocates for sharia law, the law of our enemies, should be put behind bars or deported. It is as simple as that.
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Old 23rd Mar 2015, 10:46
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Ascend,
I'm not normally so hard-nosed, but I'm inclined to agree with you there.
Goodnight chaps, you had your day in the sunshine - at other people's expense.

Also you, Hempy.
I've had some reservations about Jacquie but I have to go along with her on that one.


I listened to Malcolm Fraser's 2012 Whitlam Oration on Radio National a little earlier this evening.
The second half of it, where he addressed Australia's relationship with the USA - and China, made for some interesting listening.
Thank you, Malcolm.
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Old 23rd Mar 2015, 12:11
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I believe that several years ago Malcolm Fraser completely lost the plot and never found his way back, now that he has died it will be a while before anyone in public office sticks their head above the parapet and draws attention to this.


Julia Bishop, by virtue of her office, is duty bound to propose all and any solution that might save two Australian lives from a death penalty. Rest assured there are ample jounos just waiting for any opportunity at all to denigrate Bishop, Abbott and/or the LNP, she will be damned if she does and damned if she doesn't explore every avenue that might stop an execution.
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Old 23rd Mar 2015, 13:39
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para,
It's all very well to speculate on Malcolm having lost the plot at some stage.
Contrast that with Tony - who never had it in the first place, OK?
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Old 24th Mar 2015, 06:11
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Hold the presses !
Major Australian news !
Abbott eats an onion !
Bishop rolls her eyes !


F.F.S. I'm beginning to think that we all need a reality check.

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Old 24th Mar 2015, 12:03
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...my message to Islamic State supporters in Australia is clear: get stuffed. I will not be intimidated and I will not be threatened...
Heh... She will be called the 'Tasmanian Devil' for that..













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