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War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original

Old 20th Mar 2015, 03:05
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It would be hypocritical of me to share your kind sentiments, Cooda. Without wishing to speak ill of the dead, in my opinion, the body has now gone to where the brain went fifteen or more years ago.

My condolences to his family, but that's about as far as I can go.
Without wishing to speak ill of the dead, MTOW? Yet you call the man "brain dead" for his thoughts and words from around the time when he left office and his political views became small-l liberal (or more correctly, the LNP's views drifted more hard right conservative)

The last Conservative leader who I can remember who passed away was Margaret Thatcher, and remember how some on the right cried out about how some on the left reacted after her death? How about we just refrain from petty attacks and remember the long history of public service this man carried out. After all when J.Howard passes some on the left will no doubt have negative comments waiting, so how bout we stop these vindictive post death putdowns now?
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Old 20th Mar 2015, 03:41
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Dre is right, also remember some of the disgusting things said here when Whitlam died
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Old 20th Mar 2015, 03:56
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Old 20th Mar 2015, 04:16
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Do we detect a bit of irony there, Hempy?
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Old 20th Mar 2015, 04:40
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Dunno, do you? It seems pretty literate to me though, not something someone who was 'brain dead' would be capable of elucidating I'd imagine
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Old 20th Mar 2015, 06:04
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He was a liberal in the American sense but was hardly worthy of the name in Australia. Much like Malcom Turnbull he was to far to the left and should have joined the Labour Party. Most conservatives consider the years he spent in government as wasted. John Howard certainly did not hijack the Liberal Party, he put it back on course. If you want to vote for those policies vote for the labour party.
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Old 20th Mar 2015, 06:21
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One suspects we are up for a weekend of wailing, gnashing of teeth and rending of garments. Have to go and unpack the sackcloth and ashes, either that or cease contact with humanity until Malcolm is finished with. Every man and his dog will be called upon to give an opinion. Who knows they might even dig up Whitlam for his opinion. Perhaps becoming a hermit for a week is called for.
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Old 20th Mar 2015, 06:30
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Hempy,
No, he was quite eloquent - the above quote is an example of that.
The irony I refer to is that the compassion we've shown is being returned by slaps in the face from "refugees" who want to violently tell us we've got it wrong.
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Old 20th Mar 2015, 06:30
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One suspects we are up for a weekend of wailing, gnashing of teeth and rending of garments. Have to go and unpack the sackcloth and ashes, either that or cease contact with humanity until Malcolm is finished with. Every man and his dog will be called upon to give an opinion. Perhaps becoming a hermit for a week is called for.
A fair observation, I would say alisoncc.

I still think it was a great pity that upon gaining Government back in '75 he failed to take advantage of also having control of the Senate. A great opportunity for some substantial reform went unused!

And a very cynical side of me says that at least the long suffering taxpayer has been relieved of the burden of one obscene Parliamentary pension!
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Old 20th Mar 2015, 06:41
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alison,
Yeah, ABC Radio National's coverage earlier was interrupted only by the news that Malcolm had indeed passed on.
Time to head for the bunker, I think.
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Old 20th Mar 2015, 07:10
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Outlived by one of his star pupils, Robert Mugabe, what a pity.
 
Old 20th Mar 2015, 07:10
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Malcolm Fraser's robust action on Zimbabwe didn't work out quite as planned did it ? I bet you won't find that mentioned anywhere in the media, they are in full on saint-mode.

The left will be eagerly comparing him to Abbott, conveniently ignoring that the world has moved on a bit from 40 years ago.

I'm awaiting Malcolm Turnbull to step up and receive his mantle.
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Old 20th Mar 2015, 07:30
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It was announced today that under the lieberal's NBN plan they will pay Telstra $100 BILLION(!) over the next thirty years for line rental for their Fibre To The Node scheme. And Telstra will still own the copper lines and pits! This brings the total for the LNP NBN to $140 Billion, in other words the lieberals are spending the exact cost of a roll out of Fibre To The Premises network (which is far, far superior; and future-proof) on LINE RENTAL!

These are just the hard facts with regards to the installation of the network. it doesn't even factor in the estimated $1 trillion dollar lost to the economy and $100 billion of lost savings to health.

Remind me again who makes the responsible economic decisions in government, and which party is responsible for untold government waste and mismanagement?

It's also worth noting that the chairman of the NBN used to be the chairman of Telstra, and the CFO is the former CFO of Fox. Not that there's a conflict of interest going on there!
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Old 20th Mar 2015, 07:30
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There is a direct relationship to what a truly terrible conservative prime minister Fraser was and how loud and praising are the comments from today's Labor leadership. He totally wasted the huge victory he won in 1976, leaving all the excesses and sense of entitlement from the Whitlam debacle in place when he had the mandate to rid the country of damn near all of them.
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Old 20th Mar 2015, 07:51
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Oh c'mon, Saltie,
He was a man for his time - a moderator.
It was his job to balance the excesses of the loony left against the demands of the ratbag right.

Now, if that didn't fit your agenda then I'm sorry.
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Old 20th Mar 2015, 10:05
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He was a liberal in the American sense but was hardly worthy of the name in Australia. Much like Malcom Turnbull he was to far to the left and should have joined the Labour Party. Most conservatives consider the years he spent in government as wasted. John Howard certainly did not hijack the Liberal Party, he put it back on course. If you want to vote for those policies vote for the labour party.
Fraser was a true Liberal, as is Turnbull. Those like Howard, Abbott and their fellow travellers are Conservatives, Tories, Tea Party loons - call them what you will. The Liberal Party in Australia was mis-named by Menzies when he created it from assorted right wing/conservative bits and pieces all those years ago.
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Old 20th Mar 2015, 10:46
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More like classical leftys hiding in liberal clothing. You are right on one point, the Liberal party was misnamed. People such as the Malcoms really should have joined the Labour Party.
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Old 20th Mar 2015, 11:28
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I've tried to wrap my head around exactly what point you are trying to make in that post, but for the life of me I can't. I just reads like someone trying to turn 'life' into a political agenda.
Hardly Hempy, even you should understand the premise, though I would imagine you would want to ignore the root cause.

The original statement was that there appears to be an abnormal amount of suicides, or a trend as such amongst a particular group. I merely stated it is a function of social issues. Long term social issues are guided by social policy.

Its not a matter of a political agenda, it is political.
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Old 20th Mar 2015, 11:44
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In the broadest sense imaginable, that has some merit. Although blaming it squarely on the 'labor party' isn't just disingenuous, it's patently ridiculous..
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Old 20th Mar 2015, 11:50
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I noticed that the ABC TV news here in SA mentioned in their report of Malcolm Fraser's passing that he did actually endorse the Greens in the last Federal election.

Showed footage of him with SHY.

So how that makes him a 'true Liberal' is a bridge too far for me.
In the American sense, yes. But we are not Americans!
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